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Retired General Jack Keane made some very good points just yesterday morning, on FNC: He noted that Russia is "a second-rate military power," masquerading as a "superpower."

He concluded, therefore (and I am paraphrasing), that the US should not take into consideration Russia's likely response (as, for instance, in Syria a few days ago), when we wish to take own military actions.

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Other than their nuclear arsenal, Russia is actually more like a third rate military power.
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Retired General Jack Keane made some very good points just yesterday morning, on FNC: He noted that Russia is "a second-rate military power," masquerading as a "superpower."

He concluded, therefore (and I am paraphrasing), that the US should not take into consideration Russia's likely response (as, for instance, in Syria a few days ago), when we wish to take own military actions.

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Its a stupid, shallow minded biased opinion crafted for Donald's water boys....


Other than that, its his opinion.....
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Its a stupid, shallow minded biased opinion...
Please elaborate. (Merely hurling mud does nothing to elucidate...)
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Please elaborate. (Merely hurling mud does nothing to elucidate...)
The retired General is off his meds if he actually believes that Russia is a second-rate military power...

Consider after our decades of fighting Iraq and Afghanistan who both have nothing, his comments were beyond asinine....

BTW ~ there was another former General on FOX, the NC show yesterday who said that the attacks did nothing and that Assad would still be able to do what ever he wants like before....

Yes, Russia has an army, a navy, an air force and has enough nukes to destroy the Earth 10X over......

That second-rate military power...
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Other than their nuclear arsenal, Russia is actually more like a third rate military power.
What military power ranking would you give Iraq and Afghanistan....?


Those two who we have been fighting for DECADES....?
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Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are no longer ruled by Russia and are now members of NATO as well as the European Union
The former communist Nation of East Germany is now united with West Germany.
Much of the rest of Eastern Europe is no longer communist.
The Ukraine is attempting to join the European Union.
Russian troops were forced out of Afghanistan.
So in those ways compared to what it once was I think that Russia has lost much of the power it once had when it was the USSR.
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The retired General is off his meds if he actually believes that Russia is a second-rate military power...
At best, Russia is a regional power; but on a worldwide scale, it is really nothing to be concerned about.

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Yes, Russia has an army, a navy, an air force and has enough nukes to destroy the Earth 10X over......
Nuclear weapons are useful only for their non-use--as a sort of bluff.

No one seriously thinks that Russia might use nuclear weapons. It would be insane. (Now, Kim Jong-un of North Korea, on the other hand--well, he just might, as his own sanity is questionable. But Vladimir Putin seems quite rational, albeit in a Machiavellian sort of way...)
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Retired General Jack Keane made some very good points just yesterday morning, on FNC: He noted that Russia is "a second-rate military power," masquerading as a "superpower."
He concluded, therefore (and I am paraphrasing), that the US should not take into consideration Russia's likely response (as, for instance, in Syria a few days ago), when we wish to take own military actions.
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Other than their nuclear arsenal, Russia is actually more like a third rate military power.
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At best, Russia is a regional power; but on a worldwide scale, it is really nothing to be concerned about.
Nuclear weapons are useful only for their non-use--as a sort of bluff.
No one seriously thinks that Russia might use nuclear weapons. It would be insane. (Now, Kim Jong-un of North Korea, on the other hand--well, he just might, as his own sanity is questionable. But Vladimir Putin seems quite rational, albeit in a Machiavellian sort of way...)
then why are so many on the right always up in arms about all these 7th and 8th rate military powers?

North Korea
Syria
Libya
Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran
...
Heck we've sent to troops to Somalia
(not to mention the terrorist groups. ZERO navy ZERO air what rate are they?!)

Often the cry from too many on the right is that these countries will just kill us all dead ... IF WE DON'T DO something... don't you seee?.
Seems to me clear that the political class and multinational biz are just hyping BS threats to control foreign resources and gov'ts.
Russia at this point is one of the few hold outs against total western domination of the globe. So they and there allies are held up as horrible military threats that must be put in check.
IMO, yes Russia and all other countries are "2nd rate" militarily compared to the U.S.., which is a 900 pond gorilla.
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then why are so many on the right always up in arms about all these 7th and 8th rate military powers?

North Korea
Syria
Libya
Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran
North Korea, as previously noted, is headed by a dictator of questionable sanity; so he might just fire off nukes--unlike most others.

In Syria, Assad is quintessentially evil. Whether that means we should take him out is really a function of the answer we give to the underlying question: Should our foreign policy be undergirded by moral concerns, or is it best to engage only in realpolitik?

In Libya, NATO--and not just the US--invaded; and for the purpose of implementing UNSC Resolution 1973. (It may be argued that the death of Libya's then-leader, Muammar Gaddafi, was not an especially good thing, as it did not lead to a thriving new democracy in north Africa; but that is another matter entirely.)

The Afghanistan War was prompted by our (understandable) concerns about the Taliban--especially after the 9/11 attacks.

As for Iraq, intelligence indicated--whether rightly or wrongly--that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (commonly known as WMD).

And there was also, of course, his invasion of Kuwait, over a border dispute.

And as for Iran, it appears to be laying the groundwork for the development of nuclear weapons, after its 10-year deal (the JCPOA) expires.

But wait: I was not aware that the US had invaded Iran...

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Russia at this point is one of the few hold outs against total western domination of the globe.
I would much prefer that the West, and its values, should "dominat[e]" the world, rather than authoritarianism (as regarding which, Russia is emblematic) might do so...
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