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Bolton’s Illegal War Plan for North Korea ...


By Scott D. Sagan and Allen S. Weiner

Scott D. Sagan is an expert on nuclear nonproliferation. Allen S. Weiner was an international lawyer in the State Department.
April 6, 2018

John Bolton will assume office Monday with his first controversy as President Trump’s national security adviser awaiting him. Six weeks ago, he outlined his advocacy of an attack on North Korea in a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “The Legal Case for Striking North Korea First.”

“Given the gaps in U.S. intelligence about North Korea,” he wrote, “we should not wait until the very last minute” to stage what he called a pre-emptive attack.

Mr. Bolton’s legal analysis is flawed and his strategic logic is dangerous. As he did before the 2003 Iraq war, ..........

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Bolton is a neo-con chicken hawk creep
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Actually, we have been in a state of armed conflict with North Korea since 1951. Neither North Korea nor the United States has ever signed a termination of hostilities agreement. For either side to continue the conflict would not be anything other than abandoning a temporary truce.
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Actually, we have been in a state of armed conflict with North Korea since 1951. Neither North Korea nor the United States has ever signed a termination of hostilities agreement. For either side to continue the conflict would not be anything other than abandoning a temporary truce.
it's weird to me that some in the U.S believe the U.S. can start war anywhere with NO NEED for a president, congress or officials to have anything in writing, no declarations, no votes, just the say so of someone in authority. And the hostilities can begin and continue.... indefinitely.
But when it comes to peace it's like 'WELL we never signed anything saying we're NOT at war with them. So we can re-start killing people and blowing up folks again anytime. it just makes sense.'

At War if we do, At War if we don't?
Why isn't Peaceful relations the DEFAULT position?

and doesn't the constitution say that war has to be DECLARED by congress before hand. BTW was Korea every declared by congress?

the Constitution is something the U.S. signed. And all in government swore to obey and defend.
from the president to the lowest soldier.
so do they have to obey that? any reason to abandon that?
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it's weird to me that some in the U.S believe the U.S. can start war anywhere with NO NEED for a president, congress or officials to have anything in writing, no declarations, no votes, just the say so of someone in authority. And the hostilities can begin and continue.... indefinitely.
But when it comes to peace it's like 'WELL we never signed anything saying we're NOT at war with them. So we can re-start killing people and blowing up folks again anytime. it just makes sense.'

At War if we do, At War if we don't?
Why isn't Peaceful relations the DEFAULT position?

and doesn't the constitution say that war has to be DECLARED by congress before hand. BTW was Korea every declared by congress?

the Constitution is something the U.S. signed. And all in government swore to obey and defend.
from the president to the lowest soldier.
so do they have to obey that? any reason to abandon that?
This is particular to the North Korea situation, Wonder. There was never a peace treaty or permanent cessation of hostilities signed backed in the 50's. This is a fact, and has nothing to do with whether congress does or doesn't do its job. A state of war already exists between North Korea and the United States. It was started by North Korean attacks in the 50's, and has never completely stopped. Thee are several incidents every year along the DMZ in Korea. Every single one of them instigated by North Korea. The simple fact is that we have been in a state of armed conflict with North Korea since the 1950's. There has never been a peace treaty, there has been ongoing, continuous provocations, and there is no international, legal bar for either side to recommence hostilities. This has nothing to do with whatever you were ranting about.
In the 50's congress authorized the ongoing military operations in Korea. Every year since, congress has voted to continue military operations in Korea. Since that is the case, congress has already agreed to whatever military operations are required.
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This is particular to the North Korea situation, Wonder. There was never a peace treaty or permanent cessation of hostilities signed backed in the 50's. This is a fact, and has nothing to do with whether congress does or doesn't do its job. A state of war already exists between North Korea and the United States. It was started by North Korean attacks in the 50's, and has never completely stopped. Thee are several incidents every year along the DMZ in Korea. Every single one of them instigated by North Korea. The simple fact is that we have been in a state of armed conflict with North Korea since the 1950's. There has never been a peace treaty, there has been ongoing, continuous provocations, and there is no international, legal bar for either side to recommence hostilities. This has nothing to do with whatever you were ranting about.
In the 50's congress authorized the ongoing military operations in Korea. Every year since, congress has voted to continue military operations in Korea. Since that is the case, congress has already agreed to whatever military operations are required.
we have congressional paid for "military operations" in the arctic, in Germany, near the Russian boarders, and in various other countries that were not in active hostilities with as well.
A state of peace exist now, as a matter of practice with North Korea. That's the practical fact. No serious shots have been fired in decades.

Bottom line, there's never been a formal legal declaration of war. Or a formal declaration of peace. It a legal cancel.
That leaves the the fact that there is no fighting now so we are legally and practically in peaceful relations.

the U.N. action that got us there was illegal and unconstitutional as well.
If congress wants to start something NOW they should do it constitutionally.
The MORAL bar and constitutional bar to start a NEW war is what's before us.

I never cease to be amazed at people selective use/misuse of the Constitution. If it's mention here it's a "rant".
If i mention it for 2nd amendment rights it's common sense and just honest reading of the text.
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we have congressional paid for "military operations" in the arctic, in Germany, near the Russian boarders, and in various other countries that were not in active hostilities with as well.
A state of peace exist now, as a matter of practice with North Korea. That's the practical fact. No serious shots have been fired in decades.

Bottom line, there's never been a formal legal declaration of war. Or a formal declaration of peace. That leaves the the fact that there is no fighting now so we are legally and practically in peaceful relations.

the U.N. action that got us there was illegal and unconstitutional as well.
If congress wants to start something NOW they should do it constitutionally.
The MORAL bar and constitutional bar to start a NEW war what's before us.

I never cease to be amazed at people selective use/misuse of the Constitution. If it's mention here it's a "rant".
If i mention it for 2nd amendment rights it's common sense and just honest reading of the text.
/First, you should quit lieing to yourself. There is, and has been, ongoing military confrontations including shots fired. Check your facts. Second, there is no peace because there has never been a continuous cessation of hostilities. Lie to yourself all you want, but when you spew filth here you will get called on it.
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/First, you should quit lieing to yourself. There is, and has been, ongoing military confrontations including shots fired. Check your facts. Second, there is no peace because there has never been a continuous cessation of hostilities. Lie to yourself all you want, but when you spew filth here you will get called on it.
So you're saying that "we've Always been at war with 'east asia'"?
and we've NEVER even had a signed Armistice to honor? And we've never had to follow the Constitution where Korea is concerned?

Why do ignore that we have long standing armistice and the constitution as legal docs as block any NEW and so-called PREEMPTIVE military aggression on our part?
simple questions.
why are u pretending there's NO "legal bar for either side to recommence hostilities".
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So you're saying that "we've Always been at war with 'east asia'"?
and we've NEVER even had a signed Armistice to honor? And we've never had to follow the Constitution where Korea is concerned?

Why do ignore that we have long standing armistice and the constitution as legal docs as block any NEW and so-called PREEMPTIVE military aggression on our part?
simple questions.
why are u pretending there's NO "legal bar for either side to recommence hostilities".
There is no armistice. There was, and continues to be, a negotiated cease fire. An entirely different thing. A negotiated cease fire is a temporary cessation of hostilities. This cease fire has been violated multiple times by North Korea firing into and at both US and ROK troops in the DMZ. WE have no reason or need to justify a resumption of hostilities because North Korea has never ceased hostilities.
North Korea refused to sign an armistice because it would recognize the legitimate right of South Korea to exist as a separate nation.
Under international law, either side can resume hostilities under a cease fire. This usually requires notice by the initiating side. However, a response to aggression requires nothing other than the will to do so. Any action by the United States fall under "response' to violations of the cease fire. These violations have been going on since the establishment of the DMZ. The last incident which occurred last year involved North Korean soldiers shooting a defector when he had crossed out of their territory into South Korea. This is, whether you realize it or not, a violation of cease fire. It is also a separate declaration of war by North Korea.
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Also, Wonder, you should actually read what I write and quit trying to project your own fallacious arguments on what I say. I have said this is peculiar to the Korean situation. Nowhere have I tried to claim we are at war with south east Asia. Maybe you should back off on the painkillers or whatever you are taking.
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