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Default UK doctors can turn life support off for baby with brain damage despite parents' wish

How the fuq can this be allowed? I know it's the UK but still....

To take away a parent's right and let the government kill their child is wrong on every level.

UK doctors can turn life support off for baby with brain damage despite parents' wishes, judge rules | Fox News

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An 11-month-old suffering from severe brain damage may have his life support turned off after a British judge ruled Monday in favor of doctors arguing to terminate his care and against the boy's parents.

Justice MacDonald of the High Court on Monday said further treatment on Isaiah Haastrup, who doctors said suffered “catastrophic” brain damage after being deprived of oxygen when he was born, was “not in [the baby’s] best interest,” the BBC reported.

“Examining Isaiah’s best interests from a broad perspective...I am satisfied that it is not in his best interests for life-sustaining medical treatment to be continued. That, with profound sadness, is my judgment,” the judge said during his ruling.


The child’s parents, Takesha Thomas and Lanre Haastrup, 36, argued for continued treatment on their son with only palliative care. The father told the BBC he was “disappointed” in the judge’s ruling.

"We will be speaking to the lawyers to see what they say,” Haastrup added.

Doctors at London’s Kings College Hospital said Isaiah has a low level of consciousness due to the brain damage. The baby also couldn’t move or breathe on his own and was connected to a ventilator at all times.

But the grieving Thomas argued her son was in fact responsive.

"When I speak to him he will respond, slowly, by opening one eye,” she told MacDonald. "I see a child who is injured. He needs love. He needs care. I have it. I can give it.”

She added: "To say it is so poor, it is not worth living, that is not right. It is not their decision to make."
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Welcome to socialized medicine where the state takes ownership of your healthcare. Coming soon to a hospital near you if the Democrats have their way.
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Welcome to socialized medicine where the state takes ownership of your healthcare. Coming soon to a hospital near you if the Democrats have their way.
You beat me to it. People laughed at Sarah Palin when she talked about death panels, but they exist under socialized medicine. That's exactly what is happening to that baby.
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I feel for the parents but they need to face a couple realities of the situation...


1) "...doctors said suffered “catastrophic” brain damage after being deprived of oxygen when he was born..."
"They said Isaiah was in a low level of consciousness, could not move or breathe independently and was connected to a ventilator."

The kid is 11 months old.
It sounds like he has been on life-support the entire time. No prognosis for improving.

2) This is in England.
Socialized healthcare where the parents are likely not footing this bill.
If they were to plunk down the cost of keeping the kid on life-support themselves, that would be one thing.

But demanding the English tax-payer pay for their kid to be on life support?
Isn't this about where right-wingers start demanding that people pay for themselves?


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Welcome to socialized medicine where the state takes ownership of your healthcare. Coming soon to a hospital near you if the Democrats have their way.
You guys need to face the reality of health insurance DEATH PANELS.
That's why the attempted fear-mongering fails. You guys refuse to admit that much of what you talk about is no different than our actual reality which you ignore...
If the kid had been born with health insurance, this decision to remove life support would have been made a long time ago by a company.
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I feel for the parents but they need to face a couple realities of the situation...


1) "...doctors said suffered “catastrophic” brain damage after being deprived of oxygen when he was born..."
"They said Isaiah was in a low level of consciousness, could not move or breathe independently and was connected to a ventilator."

The kid is 11 months old.
It sounds like he has been on life-support the entire time. No prognosis for improving.

2) This is in England.
Socialized healthcare where the parents are likely not footing this bill.
If they were to plunk down the cost of keeping the kid on life-support themselves, that would be one thing.

But demanding the English tax-payer pay for their kid to be on life support?
Isn't this about where right-wingers start demanding that people pay for themselves?




You guys need to face the reality of health insurance DEATH PANELS.
That's why the attempted fear-mongering fails. You guys refuse to admit that much of what you talk about is no different than our actual reality which you ignore...
If the kid had been born with health insurance, this decision to remove life support would have been made a long time ago.
Do you remember Charlie Gard? His parents offered to pay to take him to the United States for treatment, but the government refused. No cost to the English HC system as they had substantial support via donations to cover the cost. Yet the English courts ruled against them.

So tell me again how this is different? The English people do not have an option to pay themselves. That is the point. Socialized medicine means you are at the mercy of a government bureaucracy unlike a private system where you are free to seek other options.
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You beat me to it. People laughed at Sarah Palin when she talked about death panels, but they exist under socialized medicine. That's exactly what is happening to that baby.
Yup. Can't wait for docs deciding over here whether our kids live or die. Gonna be awesome!

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