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Well Obama just had to leave a mark in this region of the world and he choose to do with the wrong group of people.
His mark is shameful at best as it leaves the U.S. in the position of not following the path every administration has taken in the past. Yet for a Progressive, Leftist what would one except of him?

What everyone needs to understand is Israel because of Iran going nuclear has gained new friends in every country except for the Palestinians and those fighting with them.
Now most of the countries won't say it in public but they are with Israel because Israel has nukes to fight Iran. As every country fears Iran and a nuclear Iran even more so. Yet the Palestinian people are still living in the past back in the days when Hitler hand print marked the area.
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JERUSALEM — An Israeli official on Friday accused President Barack Obama of colluding with the Palestinians in a "shameful move against Israel at the U.N." after learning the White House did not intend to veto a Security Council resolution condemning settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem the day before.

"President Obama and Secretary Kerry are behind this shameful move against Israel at the U.N.," the official said. "The U.S administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel's back which would be a tail wind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory," he said calling it "an abandonment of Israel which breaks decades of US policy of protecting Israel at the UN."

Earlier he said Israel's prime minister turned to President-elect Donald Trump to help head off the critical U.N. resolution.

Although the U.S. opposes the settlements, it has traditionally used its veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council to block resolutions condemning Israel, saying that disputes between Israel and the Palestinians must be resolved through negotiations. But after eight years of failed peace efforts during the Obama Administration, Israel has expressed concern the outgoing president would take an audacious step to leave his mark on the region. In recent weeks, the White House had been especially secretive about its deliberations.

The Israeli official's admission marked a final chapter in the icy relations between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Barack Obama over the last eight years, and signaled an era of close ties between Israel and the incoming Trump administration.
Israel knew even before the Egyptian draft resolution that the White House was planning an "ambush" and coordinating it with the Palestinians, said another Israeli official, who requested anonymity to discuss internal diplomatic conversations.

Israeli diplomats believe they were misled by the U.S. during a meeting last week between high-ranking Israeli and Obama administration officials in which the U.S. side offered reassurances about its efforts to support Israel but declined to explicitly state that the U.S. would veto such a resolution if it came up. The Israelis told their counterparts that "friends don't take friends to the Security Council," the official said.

The Egyptian-sponsored resolution had demanded that Israel halt settlement activities in occupied territories claimed by the Palestinians and declared that existing settlements "have no legal validity."
But under heavy Israeli pressure, Egypt called off a planned vote in the Security Council hours before it was to take place.

In the diplomatic activity ahead of the postponement, both Netanyahu and Trump issued nearly identical statements urging the U.S. to veto the measure.
"After becoming aware that the administration would not veto the anti-Israel resolution, Israeli officials reached out to Trump's transition team to ask for the president-elect's help to avert the resolution," the Israeli official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was discussing behind-the-scenes diplomatic activity.

On Friday, Egypt said its president had received a call from Trump in which they both agreed to give the incoming U.S. administration a chance to try and resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The call came hours after Egypt indefinitely postponed the U.N. vote.

A statement from the Egyptian presidency said the two men spoke by phone early Friday and agreed on "the importance of giving a chance for the new American administration to deal in a comprehensive way with the different aspects of the Palestinian issue with the aim of achieving a comprehensive and a final resolution."

A senior Palestinian official, speaking anonymously according to protocol, said Egypt didn't consult with the Palestinians about delaying the vote and it was a "complete shock" for them. Egypt represents Arab states on the security council.
Egypt is the first Arab country to make peace with Israel, and the two countries have close security ties in a shared struggle against Islamic militants.

The Palestinian mission to the United Nations said the Security Council will vote later in the day on the resolution condemning Israel's settlement construction, now sponsored by New Zealand, Malaysia, Senegal and Venezuela.

The U.S., along with the Palestinians and nearly all of the international community, opposes Israeli settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem as obstacles to peace. Some 600,000 Israelis live in the two territories, which the Palestinians seek as part of a future independent state. Israel captured both areas in the 1967 Mideast war.

Trump has signaled he will be far more sympathetic to Israel. His campaign platform made no mention of the establishment of a Palestinian state, a core policy objective of Democratic and Republican presidents over the past two decades. He also has vowed to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a move that would put the U.S. at odds with the Palestinians and almost the entire remainder of the international community, and his pick for ambassador to Israel, Jewish-American lawyer David Friedman, is a donor and vocal supporter of the settlements.

The proposed resolution would have been more than symbolic. While it did not call for imposing sanctions on Israel, its language could have hindered Israel's negotiating position in future peace talks. Given the widespread international opposition to the settlements, it would have been nearly impossible for the Trump administration to reverse it.
It remained unclear Friday whether the measure would come up for a vote in the council before Obama leaves office.

In a Christmas greeting on Friday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said: "Despite the Israeli occupation, our presence in our homeland and the preservation of our cultural and national heritage are the most important form of resistance in the face of the darkness of a foreign colonialist occupying power."
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Associated Press writer Josh Lederman in Washington contributed to this report.
UN set for showdown as US weighs abstention on Israel vote
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Well Obama just had to leave a mark in this region of the world and he choose to do with the wrong group of people.
His mark is shameful at best as it leaves the U.S. in the position of not following the path every administration has taken in the past. Yet for a Progressive, Leftist what would one except of him?

What everyone needs to understand is Israel because of Iran going nuclear has gained new friends in every country except for the Palestinians and those fighting with them.
Now most of the countries won't say it in public but they are with Israel because Israel has nukes to fight Iran. As every country fears Iran and a nuclear Iran even more so. Yet the Palestinian people are still living in the past back in the days when Hitler hand print marked the area.
Why Obama broke with Israel?

Maybe because Obama doesn't want to see Jews being murdered across Israel in a third intifada?

Maybe because Obama wants to eventually see peace and a political division of power that doesn't ensure Jewish parents burying their children and their grandchildren in conflicts that could have been avoided?

Maybe because Obama is sick and tired of dealing with the Israelis in power who use state welfare (that American taxpayers subsidize!!!) to push for more and more land grabs making peace a distant dream?

Israelis need to vote Likud's coalition out of office if they want their children to have a chance at peace.

I mean, come on, Mlurp, They agreed to stop building settlements, but never actually stopped. How long will they be allowed to continually tell the United States to fu** off while we just laugh and give in to whatever they want.

Obama is working on the hand he was dealt. No matter what he does, it's just going to be screwed up come January 20th. Besides, something tells me that after a few months with Trump and his twitter, Israeli leaders will look back fondly on those carefree days when Obama (an actual grownup) was in charge.
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B.S. answer RedState. And I will get back to you why I think so but right now I am tired and just updating my security as I missed doing it last evening..
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Well Obama just had to leave a mark in this region of the world and he choose to do with the wrong group of people.
His mark is shameful at best as it leaves the U.S. in the position of not following the path every administration has taken in the past. Yet for a Progressive, Leftist what would one except of him?

What everyone needs to understand is Israel because of Iran going nuclear has gained new friends in every country except for the Palestinians and those fighting with them.
Now most of the countries won't say it in public but they are with Israel because Israel has nukes to fight Iran. As every country fears Iran and a nuclear Iran even more so. Yet the Palestinian people are still living in the past back in the days when Hitler hand print marked the area.

UN set for showdown as US weighs abstention on Israel vote
The best explanation that I have heard is that President Obama is now doing those things that he has long wished to do, but could not do for political reasons: either because it would hurt himself politically, or because it would hurt Hillary Clinton, prior to the recent election.

He is now showing his true colors.

His recent decision to retain, as pristine--free from any oil drilling--certain areas of the US, is simply part and parcel of this newly-freed Obama...
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I have an idea: Why not just withdraw from the UN entirely?

President-elect Donald Trump said, just yesterday, that there would be some serious changes as regarding our policy toward the UN, beginning on January 20 (his day of inauguration).

Whereas I rather doubt that this will include our total withdrawal from the UN, I truly wish that it would.

And I think that Israel should withdraw from the UN, also.

This is just another example of the globalists' attempts to attenuate nationalism--a quite dismal idea, in my opinion.

Way back in the 1960s, there was a bumper sticker that read, "Get the UN out of the US, and get the US out of the UN."

Although I am not ordinarily much of a fan of bumper-sticker logic, this piece of wisdom was completely in keeping with my own view--both then and now...
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Why Obama broke with Israel?

Maybe because Obama doesn't want to see Jews being murdered across Israel in a third intifada?

Maybe because Obama wants to eventually see peace and a political division of power that doesn't ensure Jewish parents burying their children and their grandchildren in conflicts that could have been avoided?

Maybe because Obama is sick and tired of dealing with the Israelis in power who use state welfare (that American taxpayers subsidize!!!) to push for more and more land grabs making peace a distant dream?

Israelis need to vote Likud's coalition out of office if they want their children to have a chance at peace.

I mean, come on, Mlurp, They agreed to stop building settlements, but never actually stopped. How long will they be allowed to continually tell the United States to fu** off while we just laugh and give in to whatever they want.

Obama is working on the hand he was dealt. No matter what he does, it's just going to be screwed up come January 20th. Besides, something tells me that after a few months with Trump and his twitter, Israeli leaders will look back fondly on those carefree days when Obama (an actual grownup) was in charge.
Hey what did the Palestinians agree to? Nothing and they still kept killing the Jews.
What has Israel have that might make them stop and decide to seek peace? Land and in some cases with homes and all the luxuries already built for them.

Obama is now showing his real self a true Hater of the Nation of Israel as are so many Progressives. Man you people love the Arab/Muslims who will turn on you or have the right to lie to you because your not Arab/Muslim.

RedState you got your licks in making the ... I don't about Israel, never have never will.

Now shall we see the results of Obama's major mistake.
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The Jewish nation has done so much to have the Palestinians set down and discuss any peace deal. But the Palestinian won't and still believes every Jew should be killed and the nations history wiped from the books.

Israel has given back thousands of Palestinian prisoners, given back land in one way or another has meet every think asked of them except this one item. They now will control the land which is their historical.

Liberals and Muslims, will lie cheat and steal to get their way. And there are plenty of Liberals in this world, way to damn many...


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JERUSALEM: Israel summoned the ambassadors of 10 nations to Jerusalem to reprimand them on Sunday and had more harsh words for the Obama administration over a UN Security Council resolution demanding an end to settlement-building.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put his personal imprint on the show of anger by repeating at the weekly cabinet meeting what an unidentified Israeli government official contended on Friday - that Washington had conspired with the Palestinians to push for the resolution's adoption.

The White House has denied the allegation.

The vote passed in the 15-member Security Council on Friday because the United States broke with its long-standing approach of diplomatically shielding Israel and did not wield, as a permanent member of the forum, its veto power, instead abstaining.

"According to our information, we have no doubt the Obama administration initiated it (the resolution), stood behind it, coordinated the wording and demanded it be passed," Netanyahu told the cabinet in public remarks.

Ambassadors from 10 of the 14 countries that voted in favor of the resolution and have embassies in Israel - Britain, China, Russia, France, Egypt, Japan, Uruguay, Spain, Ukraine and New Zealand - were summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem, the ministry said.

Sunday is a regular work day in Israel, but most embassies are closed, and calling in envoys on Christmas Day is highly unusual.

At the weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday, Netanyahu described a telephone conversation with US Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday, when Israel and President-elect Donald Trump successfully pressed Egypt to drop the anti-settlement resolution it had put forward.

It was resubmitted a day later by New Zealand, Senegal, Venezuela and Malaysia.

"Over decades American administrations and Israeli governments disagreed about settlements, but we agreed that the security council was not the place to resolve this issue," Netanyahu said.

"We knew that going there would make negotiations harder and drive peace farther away. As I told John Kerry on Thursday, 'Friends don't take friends to the Security Council'," he said, switching from Hebrew to English.

Israel has pursued a policy of constructing settlements on territory it captured in a 1967 war with its Arab neighbors - the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, areas Palestinians seek for a state.

Most countries view the settlement activity as illegal and an obstacle to peace. Israel disagrees, citing biblical and historical connections to the West Bank and Jerusalem as well as security interests........................................
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The right would do whatever Israel wants. When they sat jump the right asks how high. BTW Obama has given Israel more than any other potus. Then yhey spit in his eye.
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The right would do whatever Israel wants. When they sat jump the right asks how high. BTW Obama has given Israel more than any other potus. Then yhey spit in his eye.



Hey! Cheer up!

Seriously, can people refrain from posting silly stuff so early in the morning? Pretty please?
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The right would do whatever Israel wants. When they sat jump the right asks how high. BTW Obama has given Israel more than any other potus. Then yhey spit in his eye.
So how many pages do you plan on trying to waste in this thread Mikeyy?

This will be my only answer to your sad excuses for communication. Just tell me what has the Palestinian people given up?

It is on record what the Jews have given up! And the Palestinians just reach out wanting more.

After WWI and Before WWII the Arabs and Palestinians were willing to talk and wanted Peace with Israel.

One man decided to wreck this and used hate to replace reality. He went to Hitler who was more than willing to back any trouble in the M.E.

And we have what we got today because this one Arab/Muslim reached his goals.

It is all history and recorded so look it up. Now go play else wheres.
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