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Old 07-06-2016, 10:38 AM
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We love the photography. But,
How does any of it relate to the Title of your thread?
American has 2 concepts and they are not compatible???????

Not all American families are white with a Mom and a Dad, and perfect children. In fact most households do not fit that ideal. We have handicap children in broken families. I myself have a grandchild in a wheel chair. Mom and Dad are separated.

But none of that creates two concepts of America.

Please explain your premise.
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Esmee, Could you please restate what your 2 contradicting concepts are.
In that video, when the 6-year-old girl dressed in poor condition, nobody would take notice of her in the street and when she went into a restaurant, people would be on guard against her like she's a thief or let her stay away, which means people, wherever they come from, would judge other people by their dresses. In other words, the human beings are all hypocritical.

I know a woman. No, I don't communicate with her personally and I also don't want to gossipy the other's private life. But she once studied English in a normal university and graduated as a Bachelor and then worked in an excellent high school as an English teacher in China. Later she loved and married an American pilot. Yep, nowadays she lives in the US. The key point of the story is that in order to support their only boy to study in an American college, she's working in a supermarket as a cashier and her husband is driving a lorry on the expressway. I will say again that I don't want to gossipy the other's private life, but apparently it's not easy to support their only son to get an excellent education for such an American couple, then here's my question: If the couple adopts one Chinese orphan, especially a disabled orphan, then how do they raise the child? You know the mother isn't a popular actress, and the father is just an ordinary American. So in order to raise the 2 children, the father would go to do his 2nd job? Or there's something I don't know about American adoption system? For example, if an American family adopts a disabled orphan, the US government would subsidize their living?

If there's something that I don't express clearly, ask me.
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In that video, when the 6-year-old girl dressed in poor condition, nobody would take notice of her in the street and when she went into a restaurant, people would be on guard against her like she's a thief or let her stay away, which means people, wherever they come from, would judge other people by their dresses. In other words, the human beings are all hypocritical.

I know a woman. No, I don't communicate with her personally and I also don't want to gossipy the other's private life. But she once studied English in a normal university and graduated as a Bachelor and then worked in an excellent high school as an English teacher in China. Later she loved and married an American pilot. Yep, nowadays she lives in the US. The key point of the story is that in order to support their only boy to study in an American college, she's working in a supermarket as a cashier and her husband is driving a lorry on the expressway. I will say again that I don't want to gossipy the other's private life, but apparently it's not easy to support their only son to get an excellent education for such an American couple, then here's my question: If the couple adopts one Chinese orphan, especially a disabled orphan, then how do they raise the child? You know the mother isn't a popular actress, and the father is just an ordinary American. So in order to raise the 2 children, the father would go to do his 2nd job? Or there's something I don't know about American adoption system? For example, if an American family adopts a disabled orphan, the US government would subsidize their living?

If there's something that I don't express clearly, ask me.

While there are disability support systems from the American Government, it does not have to be done that way here. The relationship of the American people to the government is not one of "dependence."

In most cases, it is entirely possible, and preferable, that people who chose to become parents, by birth or adoption, have the income means to support their offspring. In the case of disabled children there are programs, both governmental and private, which can provide assistance. And we have welfare assistance for those who's income is not sufficient to support a citizen's family.

In America, there is no limit to the number of children a person, or a couple, may "parent." And any and all children are not wards of the state in America. They are, generally speaking, the responsibility of the parents.

Many here in America seem to prefer a system much like you have in China. Considerably more feel we have a better system in terms of personal "liberty." I am not here to argue which system is better for the overall maintenance of a prosperous and cohesive society. But personally, I prefer liberty.
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I too prefer liberty over anal retentive, dictatorial, totalitarian governments.
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From some reports or articles that I read, it seems that the living level of the ordinary Americans don't develop in recent years.

However, those ordinary American couples seem not to stop adopting those disabled Chinese children, who typically were abandoned by their Chinese parents when they're very young.

On one side, I think these adopting actions are a true affection for children which has crossed the board and the human species, but on the other side, I can't help asking how can they feed these disabled children?


There're still some pictures I don't paste here, and you can go to see them if they interest you.

Besides this fortunate girl, the other American couples also adopt some Chinese children who suffer CHD or other diseases.

They not only adopt them but also take them to go to see American doctors. If it's necessary they would like to spend money to treat them or let them get surgeries. Seems that it's not expensive to get a cardiac surgery in the US.
In the USA we have a private Health care system. Most people can afford most care because we also have extensive Insurance coverages made available to more than 90% of the population at costs which amount to 15% of their take home wages. This has been increasing as of late for various factors including the recent mandate that all citizens must buy the product.

In truth the surgeries, to which you referenced, are very expensive.

Having insurance is a system that allows everyone to share the cost of those expensive surgeries and medical conditions. But it does not always workout well. The poor have the greatest difficulty funding the insurance costs and what insurance does not cover.

But, by law, no one can be denied medical care here. And many charities provide much of that very expensive care at no cost to the patients because Americans "donate" generously to such causes. So it is not uncommon for children in need to receive excellent medical care.

As with any system however, there is an occurrence of some tragedies

Yes, it is true that the average American has not prospered in the last 8 to 10 years as well as before. But we are hardly suffering when compared to most of the rest of the World.
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But, by law, no one can be denied medical care here.
What do you mean by this? As far as I know all a hospital has to do is basically stabilize you and then can send you on your way. Even if that way is the street.
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What do you mean by this? As far as I know all a hospital has to do is basically stabilize you and then can send you on your way. Even if that way is the street.
That is also what I understand.
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What do you mean by this? As far as I know all a hospital has to do is basically stabilize you and then can send you on your way. Even if that way is the street.
As a former paramedic and as a patient, I have been on both ends of this. I have no idea how it works where you are but here in the USA no one is turned away. It is the law.

Yes, you are stabilized and treated. Then a secondary care facility is found. And yes that choice is often based on ability to pay.

With respect, my statement is to the question asked by Esmee. Specifically how does a family in America get specialized care for a handicapped child? My answer is factually correct. Out of pocket, Insurance and/or Charity.

When my young son had a medical issue we could not afford, in spite of excellent "insurance' we went to "Cardinal Glennon" here in St louis. ALL cost were paid by charitable donations.

Two years ago, my wife had a severe gallbladder attack. She was three months from going on Medicare so we took a chance. We were, in effect, between insurance policies. Bad decision or bad luck.

Over $20,000 surgery and care. She got well treated at a for profit hospital, despite our inability to pay.

As a Paramedic I transported untold numbers of people to the ER. Many were indigent , homeless or without insurance or funding. Never was turned away and secondary care was always sourced. I cannot recall a case where someone was treated, stabilized and then subsequently abandoned.



Go to any ER in any Hospital. The law, and the hospital policy on this, is nailed to the wall. I recommend you read it.
That is how the system functions here despite what the media and the left reports. If you want to indict the system we have, start a thread.
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As a former paramedic and as a patient, I have been on both ends of this. I have no idea how it works where you are but here in the USA no one is turned away. It is the law.
I'm in Texas.

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Yes, you are stabilized and treated. Then a secondary care facility is found. And yes that choice is often based on ability to pay.

With respect, my statement is to the question asked by Esmee. Specifically how does a family in America get specialized care for a handicapped child? My answer is factually correct. Out of pocket, Insurance and/or Charity.

When my young son had a medical issue we could not afford, in spite of excellent "insurance' we went to "Cardinal Glennon" here in St louis. ALL cost were paid by charitable donations.

Two years ago, my wife had a severe gallbladder attack. She was three months from going on Medicare so we took a chance. We were, in effect, between insurance policies. Bad decision or bad luck.

Over $20,000 surgery and care. She got well treated at a for profit hospital, despite our inability to pay.

As a Paramedic I transported untold numbers of people to the ER. Many were indigent , homeless or without insurance or funding. Never was turned away and secondary care was always sourced. I cannot recall a case where someone was treated, stabilized and then subsequently abandoned.
I've been to a heart transplant center and I hear you. My experience has been great even when I did not have the ability to pay.



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Go to any ER in any Hospital. The law, and the hospital policy on this, is nailed to the wall. I recommend you read it.
That is how the system functions here despite what the media and the left reports. If you want to indict the system we have, start a thread.
Cases can be found. The bigger issue IMHO is the amount the expense we put into this system. And I think we can find better ways to run it esp. pre Obamacare.
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