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Old 02-19-2014, 12:11 AM
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Labour supporters admit it: taxes are to punish the rich, not to raise revenue

I would imagine the same results here in America...



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Ponder the graph above. Sixty-nine per cent of Labour supporters would want a top rate tax of 50 per cent even if it brought in no money.

I’m sure they’d dispute the premise. I’m sure they’d insist that it did bring money in. And, on one level, they’d believe it; it’s human nature to start with the result we want and then rationalise it to ourselves with what look like hard data. I think their rationalisation would be false, obviously – once the behavioural consequences of the tax are factored in, it becomes a net drain on revenue – but I might be subject to my own confirmation bias in the other direction.

Anyway, this isn’t a blog about the statistics – I’ve already posted one of those. No, this is a blog about the mind-set of people who see taxation, not as an unpleasant necessity, but as a way to punish others.

Envy is an ugly and debilitating condition, but it seems to have an evolutionary-biological basis. The dosage varies enormously from individual to individual, but even toddlers often display a sense that, if they can’t have something, no one else should either. If they had the vocabulary, they would doubtless, like the 69 per cent of Labour supporters, explain that emotion “on moral grounds”. Few toddlers, and few Labour voters, openly admit to being actuated by vindictiveness.

Most policy positions are an expression of some ingrained tendency. For example, we have an instinct to care for the vulnerable, and also an instinct to value reciprocity, and our welfare system results from an interplay between the two. Similarly, the current row about deporting foreign criminals has less to do with their numbers or the nature of their crimes than with our instinct – again, a human universal – about hospitality and its abuse. We shouldn’t be surprised when people who suffer from envy elevate it into a political precept and call it “fairness”.
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"Moral grounds" is a pretty ambiguous part of the answer, it doesn't necessarily translate to "I want to punish the rich!". Something tells me that the pollster wanted the answer the question was tweaked in hopes of getting a bigger "yes" response from left-leaning participants. There's no reason they couldn't have gone with a simple "Yes" or "No". We over here had the same problem with a recent Fox News poll concerning income and opportunity inequality.

Still, even if the answers were without bias, anyone who said "yes" needs to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Seriously?". If raising taxes won't help then there's no point.

I don't think you would get the same results from Americans, we're not exactly jubilant when it comes to tax increases in general. We just understand that sh-t costs money.
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Bullsh*t made to fertilize the already warped minds of tea types.
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The 85 Richest People In The World Have As Much Wealth As The 3.5 Billion Poorest


The 85 Richest People In The World Have As Much Wealth As The 3.5 Billion Poorest - Forbes

With situations like this it's not odd that rich folks might pay more. And should.
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"Moral grounds" is a pretty ambiguous part of the answer, it doesn't necessarily translate to "I want to punish the rich!". Something tells me that the pollster wanted the answer the question was tweaked in hopes of getting a bigger "yes" response from left-leaning participants. There's no reason they couldn't have gone with a simple "Yes" or "No". We over here had the same problem with a recent Fox News poll concerning income and opportunity inequality.

Still, even if the answers were without bias, anyone who said "yes" needs to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Seriously?". If raising taxes won't help then there's no point.

I don't think you would get the same results from Americans, we're not exactly jubilant when it comes to tax increases in general. We just understand that sh-t costs money.
From one of your own liberal sources, 61% of Americans want to tax the rich to balance the budget. You and I both know that no matter how high you raised taxes on the rich you could not balance the budget, but that doesn't stop the liberals from their class warfare mantra.

Most Americans Say Tax The Rich To Balance The Budget: Poll
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From one of your own liberal sources, 61% of Americans want to tax the rich to balance the budget. You and I both know that no matter how high you raised taxes on the rich you could not balance the budget, but that doesn't stop the liberals from their class warfare mantra.

Most Americans Say Tax The Rich To Balance The Budget: Poll
The left is the last ones to balance a budget.

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Bullsh*t made to fertilize the already warped minds of tea types.
Translation by Manitou--

"Lies made to further incite the minds of people who feel they are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY."

When are leftist weenies and other clueless types going to get it through their cranio-rectal skulls that TEA party people are those who think the idiots in government are overtaxing them?
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The left is the last ones to balance a budget.

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Has nothing to do with what I posted, does it? But I understand your need to try and deflect what was posted.
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