More attacks on fatherhood.

[Stinger]

How sad for the children

"Single women and lesbian couples won landmark parental rights last night as MPs voted to remove the requirement that fertility clinics consider a child’s need for a father.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill will replace the rule with a “need for supportive parenting” after opponents were defeated in two votes by unexpectedly wide margins. "

Women win right to children without fathers - Times Online

[dga]

Originally Posted by Stinger

How sad for the children

Women win right to children without fathers - Times Online[/url]

Depends on the father...

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by dga

Depends on the father...

Was there a point here, like the vast majority of fathers are worthless or something.

I guess it depend on the mother too doesn't it.

[dga]

Originally Posted by Stinger

Was there a point here, like the vast majority of fathers are worthless or something.

I guess it depend on the mother too doesn't it.

But in this case, the parent (single or lesbian mother) would be scrutinized, guaranteeing the child at least one good parent. The fact that a child starts out with both a mother and a father does not guarantee they will grow up in a two parent household, and means nothing unless it is a good mother and/or a good father.

Better no father than a lousy one some would say...

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by dga

But in this case, the parent (single or lesbian mother) would be scrutinized, guaranteeing the child at least one good parent.

But not a father.

Better no father than a lousy one some would say...

Is that the best you can come up with? Why do you assume fathers are lousey in order to carry your argument.


How about better the single or lesbians don't create the children at all because they may be lousey mothers?

The fact is there is just a good a chance the mother will be lousey as there is the father will be, it's a phony argument.

How about better we insure we do everything to make sure children have fathers in their lives and not support intentionally denying them their fathers.

[dga]

Originally Posted by Stinger

But not a father.



Is that the best you can come up with? Why do you assume fathers are lousey in order to carry your argument.


How about better the single or lesbians don't create the children at all because they may be lousey mothers?

The fact is there is just a good a chance the mother will be lousey as there is the father will be, it's a phony argument.

How about better we insure we do everything to make sure children have fathers in their lives and not support intentionally denying them their fathers.

Let's see if I can make it clearer for you.

The fact that these women would go to a fertility clinic to get pregnant means they really want a child. How many lousy moms do you know that have spent thousands of dollars to get pregnant? I really doubt they purposely get impregnated to later be lousy mothers.

I included the lousy fathers bit because that was the premise of my reply... "depends on the father"

Two scenarios:

Susan is married and goes to the fertility clinic. She gets pregnant, her marriage goes to hell, hubby exits and doesn't look back.

Emily is single, she has not found the right person in her life but time is running out so she goes to a fertility clinic and gets pregnant.

While there is a possibility that Susan's marriage will last (only 50% if current divorce rates are any indicator), there is also a chance that both children will be raised primarily by single mothers. So why should Susan be prefered to Emily? Isn't it more important that they both want to be mothers?

[saltwn]

Originally Posted by Stinger

How sad for the children

"Single women and lesbian couples won landmark parental rights last night as MPs voted to remove the requirement that fertility clinics consider a child’s need for a father.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill will replace the rule with a “need for supportive parenting” after opponents were defeated in two votes by unexpectedly wide margins. "

Women win right to children without fathers - Times Online

Men feel the pinch when laws seem to exclude them (although many exclude themselves from a relationship with their child). I think they may be afraid someday they will not be needed at all except to donate sperm. And there are a lot of good things that can be said about a positive male role model for girls as well as boys. In an ideal world, some would not have it any other way. I can appreciate that.
But as a person who was raised by two female relatives, I don't see the danger in "not having a man around the house." I had several good male role models in my uncles. But they lived elsewhere.
So the only thing I can look back on and say I might have missed, was accidentally walking in on a man peeing in the bathroom, which didn't happen till a cousin came for a visit and forgot to close the door.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by dga

Let's see if I can make it clearer for you.

The fact that these women would go to a fertility clinic to get pregnant means they really want a child.

OK just make sure the child has a father.

How many lousy moms do you know that have spent thousands of dollars to get pregnant? I really doubt they purposely get impregnated to later be lousy mothers.

It the point you are trying to make that only fathers can be lousey?

I included the lousy fathers bit because that was the premise of my reply... "depends on the father"

Two scenarios:

Which have nothing to do with women purposely creating children without fathers in order to satisfy their own desires.

How sad for the children.

[AmericanDreamer]

Originally Posted by dga

Better no father than a lousy one some would say...

And many times better no mother than a lousy one I'd say.

[tristanrobin]

Originally Posted by Stinger

"Single women and lesbian couples won landmark parental rights last night as MPs voted to remove the requirement that fertility clinics consider a child’s need for a father.

I don't see how this is an attack on fathers.

It's simply eliminating a prejudicial requirement of fertility clinics to deny couples where there is not going to be an active 'father' in the child's life.

Nothing wrong with that.

I would sure never suggest that a child should be removed from a single father's care!