Japan Is World's Least Sexy Nation

[forester814]

Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Japanese women are absolutely beautiful. It's like they walk on clouds when they move.

I couldn't agree more. I wish I could move half as gracefully.

[foundit66]

Japan is doomed. It's partly a problem that other develped countries are facing, but partly a consequence of decades of inflexibility, racism and formality.

The agent of Japan's death is simple: depopulation.

The fertility rate in Japan is 1.29. That is 1.29 children per woman, whereas demographers consider replacement fertility to be about 2.1. All developed countries have lowering fertility rates, and its a problem of varying degrees. The liberation of women, higher ages of marriage, the cost of raising and educating children, all contribute towards low fertility. Japan suffers more than most (only Italy's fertility rate is lower) but it's a country-killer especially in Japan because

Japan refuses to take immigrants.

Immigration is the lifeblood of America, Canada, Australia and Europe. It keeps the economy, culture and pension systems alive in those countries. It provides young people (who have babies) and workers that both produce goods and consume them. Immigration causes some problems and the process is rarely completely smooth. But the target cultures are immeasurably enriched. New ideas, languages, cultures, food, all serve to enliven and stimulate the host country.

Japan is desperately in need of new ideas, culture, and languages, not to mention babies.

It is ironic that the need for immigration in Japan is in almost direct reverse proportion to its likelihood of getting it.

Japan's government, police and bureacracy are all deeply racist and xenophobic. Restrictions on foreigners are extreme; foreigners (labelled 'aliens') have to carry foreign identification cards at all times, and are routinely discrinated against in employment, housing and the law. The process of obtaining permanent residency (e.g. for spouses of Japanese citizens) is fiendishly and purposely complex. Public conservatism and reluctance to accept foreigners is exacerbated by sensationalist and one-sided media reports of "foreign gangs". Foreign workers find it increasingly difficult to stay on as years go by, and even Westerners, who hold a certain charmand fascination for the Japanese, are expected to leave after a few years. Meanwhile Japanese hold the Chinese and other Asian people in open contempt. Many Japanese do not consider themselves Asian, but rather 'Japanese'

This (partly imaginary) homogeneity is partly the root cause of the problem. Only Japanese are (or can be) Japanese. And Japan is only for the Japanese. The idea, more or less accepted in countries like Canada or Australia, that you can become Australian or Canadian by living there for a long time or at least by being born there, is alien to Japan. If you don't have Japanese blood, you can't be Japanese. That simple. They also expect other nationalities to be similiar. All Americans are blond and blue eyed, for example. Many Japanese were confused, for example, when I told them many Australians are Asians. For the Japanese, even living there for many generation will not make you one of them. Koreans, whose ancestors were kidnapped and brought to Japan centuries ago, who look like and sound like Japanese, who no longer speak Korean, must carry Korean identification cards.

If excluding foreigners from the country was not dangerous enough, Japanese culture and government policy make it unlikely that the demographic crisis will be solved from the inside. The fertility is set to decline even further. Fewer women chose to marry, fewer couples have children, fewer children are being born to those couples who decide to have them. For Japan's powerful, professional and independent women, a life as a housewife is increasingly unattractive; and women are rarely expected to work after marriage.

And who wants to marry anyway? Japanese people are about as romantic as cement, sex is so unpopular that sex rates are the lowest in the developed world, and the typical marriage has about as much passion as a bank account. Sex within marriage is reportedly so rare that it must be planned around yearly holidays, while men typically (and, from my experience, without much objection from their wives) go outside the marriage for sex, to host bars and 'soaplands', where their money can buy what their personality can't otherwise obtain for them. Meanwhile women learn the lessson that only men want sex, and women are paid for it in one way or another. My girlfriend seemed honestly surprised that I expected her to enjoy sex, apparently 'women don't enjoy sex', and the idea that women in the West can enjoy it and even seek it out took her by suprise.

Captain Cassowary: The Hard Truth: Japan is Dying

Not sure how much of this is accurate, or possibly just plain xenophobia.
I found the read fascinating.

[forester814]

Shocking and sad in many ways. Thanks for posting that.

[fxashun]

Originally Posted by foundit66

Not sure how much of this is accurate, or possibly just plain xenophobia.
I found the read fascinating.

Yeah that sounds pretty accurate from what my girlfriend told me when I was there. She was a citizen but mixed with Chinese and she told me about the racism that she experienced there. Lucky for her she spoke like 5 languages so she had a decent job for the government as a translator but she said the society there was quite rigid.

She had few nice things to say about Japanese men. They were polite. But she might have been biased so other results may vary.

As far as immigration though, they might have a decent idea. When you look at the people that usually are the people moving in, do you really think that is something that they need to worry about in a country that already has limited resources. Japan has a finite amount of land to develop, and a few less people might be a good thing.
Statistics Bureau Home Page/Chapter 2**Population

Check Tokyo's (and many other Japanese cities) density compared to cities in the U.S.

Where are they gonna put more people? Instead of racist, I consider them smart. It's not like they need more people there.

[foundit66]

Considering the emphasis you place on the sex drive, and the classification of "dysfunctional" you attach when one is not present, or one is present towards something or some act that does not result in procreation, one would think that you would label the Japanese as "dysfunctional" for not having sex.

If one expected your Jim Crow application of criticism of blacks to be consistent and rational in the first place.
Whoops. I meant to say if one expected your application of criticism of gays to be consistent and rational in the first place...

[fxashun]

Originally Posted by foundit66

Considering the emphasis you place on the sex drive, and the classification of "dysfunctional" you attach when one is not present, or one is present towards something or some act that does not result in procreation, one would think that you would label the Japanese as "dysfunctional" for not having sex.

Somebody is having sex, there are a LOT of people there for them to not allow aliens of any number. Maybe when you have people pushing you in a train like a sardine, and you live in a postage stamp, the urge to have sex is kinda suppressed.

If one expected your Jim Crow application of criticism of blacks to be consistent and rational in the first place.
Whoops. I meant to say if one expected your application of criticism of gays to be consistent and rational in the first place...

It is, and Jim Crow and the aversion to the disorder that is homosexuality by the human species are not related.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by fxashun

Somebody is having sex, there are a LOT of people there for them to not allow aliens of any number.

Flimsy excuse.
1) Gays exist, and still "somebody is having sex. There are a LOT of people in the U.S. to make up for those that don't have procreative sex."
2) And there he goes. TRYING DESPARATELY to change the subject.
I said nothing about "aliens", and he's already trying to change the subject off of his inconsistency.

Originally Posted by fxashun

Maybe when you have people pushing you in a train like a sardine, and you live in a postage stamp, the urge to have sex is kinda suppressed.

Coming from somebody who has lived in the country for several months, both claims are badly exaggerated.

Originally Posted by fxashun

It is, and Jim Crow and the aversion to the disorder that is homosexuality by the human species are not related.

Again, too thick to comprehend analogies.
The point is that the Jim Crow laws that were SELECTIVELY ONLY applied to blacks, ignoring when whites were guilty of the same "distinguishing" problem (like illiteracy) is what voided the argument.
Like when you apply your "homosexuality / non-procreational" rant to gays, and ignore when STRAIGHT PEOPLE are guilty of the same thing.

THAT is the relation.

[fxashun]

Originally Posted by foundit66

Flimsy excuse.
1) Gays exist, and still "somebody is having sex. There are a LOT of people in the U.S. to make up for those that don't have procreative sex."
2) And there he goes. TRYING DESPARATELY to change the subject.
I said nothing about "aliens", and he's already trying to change the subject off of his inconsistency.

Actually, you are trying to change the subject to "me" as usual. Not to mention the strange "gays" association. We are talking about Japan here. The population is fine if not too large, it's not like they are in danger of dying off. No need to allow people in if you have plenty of people and are already living like sardines.

Coming from somebody who has lived in the country for several months, both claims are badly exaggerated.

I lived in the area for 2 years. Exaggerated and untrue are two different things. As my link showed, many cities in Japan are very crowded. The country ain't that big.

YouTube - INSANE wave pool in Tokyo. Where's the...

YouTube - 'Pushers' pushing people on a crowded...

YouTube - Crowded Japanese Train

Again, too thick to comprehend analogies.
The point is that the Jim Crow laws that were SELECTIVELY ONLY applied to blacks, ignoring when whites were guilty of the same "distinguishing" problem (like illiteracy) is what voided the argument.
Like when you apply your "homosexuality / non-procreational" rant to gays, and ignore when STRAIGHT PEOPLE are guilty of the same thing.
THAT is the relation.

Again too thick to understand we are talking about Japan and not "black people" or "me" or Jim Crow laws in the U.S. vs. human beings being averse to homosexuality all over the world. Not the topic in this thread. Sorry.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by fxashun

We are talking about Japan here. The population is fine if not too large, it's not like they are in danger of dying off.

Funny how you have no response for your double-standard.
There is NO population out there that is in "danger of dying off" because of gays, yet you criticize gays endlessly for lack of procreation.
We are proclaimed "dysfunctional" because of it.

And when Japan is shown as another example of lack of procreation, you ignore the non-procreation.

You repeatedly criticize gays for a proclaimed "dysfunction" in a sex drive that does not result in procreation.
But with Japan, not a single comment.

I realize you want to change the subject away from your hypocrisy, but I won't allow it.

Originally Posted by fxashun

No need to allow people in if you have plenty of people and are already living like sardines.

There you go again trying to change the subject to "allowing people in".
I'm not commenting on that.
I'm talking about PROCREATION.

And SOME people may have "sardine" times, but there are PLENTY of areas for the country to expand comfortably in.

Originally Posted by fxashun

I lived in the area for 2 years. Exaggerated and untrue are two different things. As my link showed, many cities in Japan are very crowded.

Yes. "Exaggerated" and "untrue" ARE two different things.
I am not saying that "sardines" NEVER exists anywhere in the country.
I am saying it is exaggerated, as in it is not the norm in most areas.

The "train" examples are interesting, but more indicative of a city transit system that is in bad need of expansion.
And we can find plenty of other events that show such a highly dense grouping in good ol' America.

To try to pretend that the limited sex thing is due to "overpopulation" is an attempt to deny the obvious.
When I bring up population limitation, you outright dismiss and ignore it (without any intelligent counter).

Originally Posted by fxashun

Again too thick to understand we are talking about Japan and not "black people" or "me" or Jim Crow laws in the U.S. vs. human beings being averse to homosexuality all over the world. Not the topic in this thread. Sorry.

Sorry, but no.
You have changed the subject in WAYYYYY too many threads to pull this cop-out excuse for ignoring your duplicity. And we both know that.

The "Jim Crow" thing is an analogy, which I guess you just got otherwise you would still be struggling to try to counter what you didn't understand.

The point is that the Jim Crow laws that were SELECTIVELY ONLY applied to blacks, ignoring when whites were guilty of the same "distinguishing" problem (like illiteracy) is what voided the argument.
Like when you apply your "homosexuality / non-procreational" rant to gays, and ignore when STRAIGHT PEOPLE are guilty of the same thing.

If you don't want to discuss off-topic, then just plain DO NOT DISCUSS it.
Makes no difference cause I'll continue to point out your duplicity.