Has our biased support for Israel undermined respect for American ideals?

[lackluster]

Originally Posted by Coyote

There is a difference between Jews and Israel, the politics of nations and the being of ethnicities or religious identities. Every debate where someone expresses a critical view of Israel's policies get's framed as Israel vs Jew-haters. Israel is a grand idea, but it is still just that. It's promise has yet to be seen and not because everyone "hates" it but it's own internal dissentions and political actions. Not everyone who criticizes Israel is against it in entirety - they just want to see some balance.

I see. So Israel is NOTthe Jewish homeland.

Got it.

[Calypso Jones]

Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Our country is about the only country that is allied with Israel at this point. Although we are their most important ally they ignore anything we ask. We have asked them to stop the settlement activity on stolen land. They ignore us. Every new settlement is another tick off our moral authority. Everytime they get caught spying on us and we do nothing we show our blind support for Israel.

You are an anti-semite. THAT is THEIR LAND. THEY were attacked and some of that land is spoils of war. WHAT? IS EVERY country but ISRAEL allowed to keep the land they won in a war they did not start?? God Bless Israel and curse you for your remarks. You fail to comment on the things that we have done to OUR ally.

[Coyote]

Originally Posted by lackluster

I see. So Israel is NOTthe Jewish homeland.

Got it.

No, you don't. At all, since that isn't what I said

[Coyote]

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

You are an anti-semite. THAT is THEIR LAND. THEY were attacked and some of that land is spoils of war. WHAT? IS EVERY country but ISRAEL allowed to keep the land they won in a war they did not start?? God Bless Israel and curse you for your remarks. You fail to comment on the things that we have done to OUR ally.

If Israel keeps the land then they have to keep the people with it - not just institute a quasi-legal apartheid system.

[lackluster]

Originally Posted by Coyote

No, you don't. At all, since that isn't what I said

What you said is that there there is a difference between Jews and Israel, the implication being that it is perfectly acceptable to hate as long as you can try to fool people into thinking your hatred is aimed at a political body rather than a people. It's like copping a plea that it is o.k. to direct constant abuse towards Japan, because Japan and the Japanese are somehow different.

Not everybody sees through that b.s., but I sure do. Antisemites can try to hide behind this phony distinction all they want, but when they take up positions so completely hostile to Israel that they repeat the mindless propaganda of genocidal antisemites who wish to kill Jews for being Jews, no amout of self serving sophisrty will change the true nature of what they stand for.

[Mikeyy]

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

You are an anti-semite. THAT is THEIR LAND. THEY were attacked and some of that land is spoils of war. WHAT? IS EVERY country but ISRAEL allowed to keep the land they won in a war they did not start?? God Bless Israel and curse you for your remarks. You fail to comment on the things that we have done to OUR ally.

Curse me for being upset that Israel spies on us? Huh. When you say that is their land you must have some sort of deed you can produce?

[Mikeyy]

Originally Posted by lackluster

Yeah, it's about time we joined all the Jew haters who wish Israel destroyed!


What MUST we be thinking in not joining the hate fest, anyway?

This is the problem with our support for Israel. You are either required to ignore all Israel does and support their actions or you have to be on Ahmadinajhads side. There is need to question them unless you are antisemite. You must find everyone else who has lived there for generations visitors because some god decided something. Do you see how asinine that is?

[Mikeyy]

Originally Posted by Infidel Dog

Just out of curiosity, what is there in that crock above that's supposed to have anything to do with "American Ideals"?

Is it the warped view of history, or the desire for what's referred to as "moral authority" (meaning, I suppose, 'do what we progs tell you to do, and right now you're commanded to die'), that is supposed to be the hard left's new definition of 'American Ideals'.

I have no idea what the "hard" left does. So it is a crock that they spy on us? So it is a crock that we have asked them to stop the settlement building? So it is a crock that this situation was wrong from day one and the results is decades of death. We are the only ones with the power to solve this situation and we should. But we are controlled by pols who have a guilt trip over the Holocaust. Time to get over it. And Musada as well. That was then and this is now.

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by lackluster

What you said is that there there is a difference between Jews and Israel, the implication being that it is perfectly acceptable to hate as long as you can try to fool people into thinking your hatred is aimed at a political body rather than a people. It's like copping a plea that it is o.k. to direct constant abuse towards Japan, because Japan and the Japanese are somehow different.

Not everybody sees through that b.s., but I sure do. Antisemites can try to hide behind this phony distinction all they want, but when they take up positions so completely hostile to Israel that they repeat the mindless propaganda of genocidal antisemites who wish to kill Jews for being Jews, no amout of self serving sophisrty will change the true nature of what they stand for.

Is this a jew-hater?

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the...created state of Israel...a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy, and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist right-wing chauvinist organization in Palestine.

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

You are an anti-semite.

I'd rather be an anti-semite, than an Israeli kiss-ass!

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

THAT is THEIR LAND.

West of the Green Line.

East of that line, is not their land.

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

THEY were attacked and some of that land is spoils of war.

Actually, Israel provoked the attack and it is against the law to hold on to land seized in a war. That's what the nazis did. That's why it is outlawed today.

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

WHAT? IS EVERY country but ISRAEL allowed to keep the land they won in a war they did not start??

What kind of dumbass statement is that?

No one is allowed to keep land they seized in a war, including Israel.

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

God Bless Israel and curse you for your remarks.

You don't have a clue as to what God is about.

In fact, HE probably can't stand you!

Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

You fail to comment on the things that we have done to OUR ally.

Care to comment on what "OUR ally" did to the USS Liberty?