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Old 10-21-2007, 04:37 PM
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Well lets face it, more conservatives go to church thus have a stronger rooting in what they consider to be the word of God. The word of God is very damning against human faults/failures. The conservatives tend to act in the same philosophy anti-abortion, pro death penalty, anti welfare and pro tax subsidies that aid those who already make money. The liberals on the other hand seem to have an innate desire to correct the most basic of mistakes by supporting welfare and such.
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Well lets face it, more conservatives go to church thus have a stronger rooting in what they consider to be the word of God. The word of God is very damning against human faults/failures. The conservatives tend to act in the same philosophy anti-abortion, pro death penalty, anti welfare and pro tax subsidies that aid those who already make money. The liberals on the other hand seem to have an innate desire to correct the most basic of mistakes by supporting welfare and such.
Your showing your cards...

"Correcting the most basic of mistakes" is the removal of personal responsibility, which is also a hallmark of Liberal mindset...
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Your showing your cards...

"Correcting the most basic of mistakes" is the removal of personal responsibility, which is also a hallmark of Liberal mindset...
I think that is almost a fair assessment. I think that most liberals support personal responsibility but don't think that enforcing it with the will of law is a good idea. I would love to help people make better decisions, but regardless of the decisions they make, the shouldn't be living on the streets as bums... Personal responsibility as the only responsibility is the hallmark of a Conservative mindset. "I've got mine... Sorry if you needed help."
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I think that most liberals support personal responsibility but don't think that enforcing it with the will of law is a good idea.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

That is THEE standard of Liberalism...In fact, I think most Liberals would find what you just said offensive!...

Enforcing it IS the whole idea of it...

Handing out needles to drug adducts (taxpayer expense)...

Handing out condoms to middle school children (taxpayer expense)...

Attempting to shut down military recruitment centers to prevent choice...

ALL of that is "personal responsibility" that they want taken away...

You even mentioned welfare...THAT is establishing law to redistibute wealth!!!!...

It's the exact opposite of the American Dream...where you can make it if you try hard enough...

They want it to be "You don't have to try anymore...the government will PROVIDE you with it so don't bother being motivated."...
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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

That is THEE standard of Liberalism...In fact, I think most Liberals would find what you just said offensive!...

Enforcing it IS the whole idea of it...

Handing out needles to drug adducts (taxpayer expense)...

Handing out condoms to middle school children (taxpayer expense)...

Attempting to shut down military recruitment centers to prevent choice...

ALL of that is "personal responsibility" that they want taken away...

You even mentioned welfare...THAT is establishing law to redistibute wealth!!!!...

It's the exact opposite of the American Dream...where you can make it if you try hard enough...

They want it to be "You don't have to try anymore...the government will PROVIDE you with it so don't bother being motivated."...
I think you are excessive in your analysis, but lets go through it logically. To put an emphasis on personal responsibility and enforcing it through will of law would lead to the ELIMINATION, not implementation of these programs. To say that personal responsibility is the highest value automatically undervalues the natural desire to help that most humans have.

The offensive idea is that because a person made a different choice or even a poor choice that they are no longer valued as human beings with feelings and needs. The American Dream is no longer something so selfish as have massive amounts of accumulated wealth, sure thats part of it, but now the American Dream tends to include a view of America where there isn't needless suffering. This is something that Conservatives fail to see. Their emphasis on personal responsibility is good, don't get me wrong. Many people are motivated through that message, but to say that people who fail to live up to that standard don't deserve basic care is to say that there is no inherent value in being human.
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What the preceding two posts demonstrate perfectly is the difference between Conservatives and Liberals.

Liberals would have an opinion and feel strongly about what they think should or shouldn't be done about Sarkozy's affair.
yeah right

can anybody say "Clinton and Monica?"

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yeah right

can anybody say "Clinton and Monica?"

Clinton and Monica

What do I win?...
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...18/wfra318.xml

+ France is an active ally again.

- Rumors of immorality and a Clintonesque affair is not a good thing.

????

Your opinion?
I wish them luck. And I hope they stick to their guns about not discussing their divorce with the press.
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