Nicolas Sarkozy confirms split with Cécilia

[cnredd]

Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

I'm still not buying that conservatives are any less inclined to assert their opinions about the personal lives of others than liberals are. I was here for the Clinton scandal...I remember. It wasn't liberals with their panties in a bunch over a bj from an intern.

I never said otherwise...

What I did say was not ALL of them, as you implied in your post...

Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Uh, yeah okay. What did the conservatives do about Clinton's affairs? My bullshit detector is going off the charts right now.

An my response...

Originally Posted by cnredd

Be careful of putting all Conservatives in the same basket...

[Idealogically Promiscuous]

Originally Posted by cnredd

I never said otherwise...

What I did say was not ALL of them, as you implied in your post...



An my response...

I don't recall saying ALL conservatives just like I wouldn't say ALL liberals. I am stating that in terms of group mentality, neither has any moral high ground when it comes to asserting their opinions about the personal lives of any politician.

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

I don't recall saying ALL conservatives just like I wouldn't say ALL liberals. I am stating that in terms of group mentality, neither has any moral high ground when it comes to asserting their opinions about the personal lives of any politician.

Not as a group, but individuals surely can...and do everyday...

[Idealogically Promiscuous]

Originally Posted by cnredd

Not as a group, but individuals surely can...and do everyday...

Well we can agree on that.

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Well we can agree on that.

Yup...

But at issue here is that you believe the JUDGEMENTS made from Conservative politicians is the reason they pushed so hard for Clinton's impeachment...

And that's just not true...

You have to separate their personal opinions ("I think getting a hummer while married is a disgrace") from their legislative duty ("I think the president should be impeached because he was found to obstruct justice and lied to a Federal Grand Jury")...

What you're doing is combining them and saying "Clinton was impeached BECAUSE of the hummer...

And not only is it not true, but you couldn't find 10 Republicans in Congress who've ever said that...

Why?

Because adultery is not an impeachable defense!!!!!...You couldn't find me one law where it says it is...

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find some rightwing nut that says it SHOULD be, but you and I know that a Federal judge would laugh that out of court...

But for you, or anyone else, to believe that there were a plethora of Conservatives in Congress walking around saying "The president had an adulterous affair, and he should be impeached based on that alone." is absurd...

[Idealogically Promiscuous]

Originally Posted by cnredd

Yup...

But at issue here is that you believe the JUDGEMENTS made from Conservative politicians is the reason they pushed so hard for Clinton's impeachment...

And that's just not true...

You have to separate their personal opinions ("I think getting a hummer while married is a disgrace") from their legislative duty ("I think the president should be impeached because he was found to obstruct justice and lied to a Federal Grand Jury")...

What you're doing is combining them and saying "Clinton was impeached BECAUSE of the hummer...

And not only is it not true, but you couldn't find 10 Republicans in Congress who've ever said that...

Why?

Because adultery is not an impeachable defense!!!!!...You couldn't find me one law where it says it is...

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find some rightwing nut that says it SHOULD be, but you and I know that a Federal judge would laugh that out of court...

But for you, or anyone else, to believe that there were a plethora of Conservatives in Congress walking around saying "The president had an adulterous affair, and he should be impeached based on that alone." is absurd...

No but what you did see was a plethora of right wing pundits, journalists, and random joe schmoe's saying that...I was speaking to the entire mentality not just the elected officials.

I am aware of why he was impeached and I agreed with it. However, back to bkhad's misstep...he stated that liberals would be complaining where conservatives wouldn't be and thats just not true.

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

No but what you did see was a plethora of right wing pundits, journalists, and random joe schmoe's saying that...I was speaking to the entire mentality not just the elected officials.

OK...

But then you'd agree that people saying "Clinton was impeached because of a hummer" is a lie and just propagated by many on the Left and their ONLY excuse is to say that because Pastor Rightwing Dumfukkus and pundit Neo Von Buchanan said so...which of course, is a bullshit argument...

Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

I am aware of why he was impeached and I agreed with it. However, back to bkhad's misstep...he stated that liberals would be complaining where conservatives wouldn't be and thats just not true.

I never addressed that aspect...I came in when you brought up Clinton, which is not comparable...

And my stance (which is NOT wide) is the same...

Sarkozy shouldn't be punished for anything unless his divorce was addressed or evidence for/against him was obtained through political means or laws were broken in court...

[dabateman]

On the issue of personal morality viewed in the light of political values, I would say that both parties are equally guilty of judgment. The conservatives (in general) tend to judge their candidate on 'traditional family values' and the liberals (in general) are more in line with humanistic values. I think that both parties are willing to exploit the standards to their political benefit.

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Originally Posted by dabateman

liberals (in general) are more in line with humanistic values.

I gotta hear this one...

Elaborate please...

[bhkad]

Originally Posted by dabateman

On the issue of personal morality viewed in the light of political values, I would say that both parties are equally guilty of judgment. The conservatives (in general) tend to judge their candidate on 'traditional family values' and the liberals (in general) are more in line with humanistic values. I think that both parties are willing to exploit the standards to their political benefit.

You attempt to draw a comparison between conservatives and liberals and find it to be about equal?

That is a typically liberal thing to do.