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French senate approves burqa ban

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Paris, France (CNN) -- The French senate approved Tuesday a law banning any veils that cover the face -- including the burqa, the full-body covering worn by some Muslim women -- making France the first European country to plan such a measure.


The law passed by a vote of 246 to 1, with about 100 abstentions coming essentially from left-leaning politicians.

The legislation was overwhelmingly approved by the lower house of parliament in July and will go into effect next spring.

French people back the ban by a margin of more than four to one, the Pew Global Attitudes Project found in a survey earlier this year.

Some 82 percent of people polled approved of a ban, while 17 percent disapproved. That was the widest support the Washington-based think tank found in any of the five countries it surveyed.

Clear majorities also backed burqa bans in Germany, Britain and Spain, while two out of three Americans opposed it, the survey found.

A panel of French lawmakers recommended a ban last year, and lawmakers unanimously passed a non-binding resolution in May calling the full-face veil contrary to the laws of the nation.

"Given the damage it produces on those rules which allow the life in community, ensure the dignity of the person and equality between sexes, this practice, even if it is voluntary, cannot be tolerated in any public place," the French government said when it sent the measure to parliament in May.

The law imposes a fine of 150 euros ($190) and/or a citizenship course as punishment for wearing a face-covering veil. Forcing a woman to wear a niqab or a burqa will be punishable by a year in prison or a 15,000-euro ($19,000) fine, the government said, calling it "a new form of enslavement that the republic cannot accept on its soil."

The French Council of State has warned that the ban could be incompatible with international human rights laws and the country's own constitution. The council advises on laws, but the government is not required to follow its recommendations.

The ban pertains to the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil that leaves an opening only for the eyes. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law.

However, a 2004 law in France bans the wearing or displaying of overt religious symbols in schools -- including the wearing of headscarves by schoolgirls.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimates that France has about 3.5 million Muslims, or about 6 percent of the population.

France does not keep its own statistics on religious affiliation of the population, in keeping with its laws requiring the state to be strictly secular.

French senate approves burqa ban - CNN.com
This law makes sense to me,while it may well violate the individuals right to religious freedom the security and safety of the people trumps the individuals right to expression and anonymity.

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This law makes sense to me,while it may well violate the individuals right to religious freedom the security and safety of the people trumps the individuals right to expression and anonymity.

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That's the slippery slope to hell...

Remember the "First they came for..." commentary...
Indeed I do and I realize this is a difficult decision. However...the burqa gives "complete" anonymity to the individual. They even refused to remove it for their drivers license photo..

Imagine people walking into a bank wearing a burqa,it would hinder law enforcement. I enjoy freedom as much as anyone else but complete anonymity in society is not without risk to society.Something tells me that France has a much greater Muslim population than we do and this issue arises there more than it does here....at least for now.
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Indeed I do and I realize this is a difficult decision. However...the burqa gives "complete" anonymity to the individual. They even refused to remove it for their drivers license photo..

Imagine people walking into a bank wearing a burqa,it would hinder law enforcement. I enjoy freedom as much as anyone else but complete anonymity in society is not without risk to society.Something tells me that France has a much greater Muslim population than we do and this issue arises there more than it does here....at least for now.
I agree with the driver's license and the bank, but we have rules like that everywhere (try wearing a ski mask for your driver's license )...It's the overall banning I worry about...
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I agree with the driver's license and the bank, but we have rules like that everywhere (try wearing a ski mask for your driver's license )...It's the overall banning I worry about...
I would think the French could have compromised on this issue because normally,they are very proficient when it comes to making compromises.

They could have banned the burqa in banks and required removal for license photos.I could care less if they were it at home or on the streets but total anonymity at banks and credit unions remain a valid concern.
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I would think the French could have compromised on this issue because normally,they are very proficient when it comes to making compromises.

They could have banned the burqa in banks and required removal for license photos.I could care less if they were it at home or on the streets but total anonymity at banks and credit unions remain a valid concern.
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For once, the French are doing some thing smart and trying to stop the takeover of their country by foreigners and there religion. Way to go France!
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I think I take the same stance as cnredd on this.
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For once, the French are doing some thing smart and trying to stop the takeover of their country by foreigners and there religion. Way to go France!
Their decision may have been a little overreaching but I can understand their concerns...
I just renewed my drivers license and they made me remove my baseball hat.Imagine refusing to remove a burqa for a photo.
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I think I take the same stance as cnredd on this.
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