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Two remote U.S. missile strikes that killed at least 20 people at suspected terrorist hideouts in northwestern Pakistan yesterday offered the first tangible sign of President Obama's commitment to sustained military pressure on the terrorist groups there, even though Pakistanis broadly oppose such unilateral U.S. actions.
The shaky Pakistani government of Asif Ali Zardari has expressed hopes for warm relations with Obama, but members of Obama's new national security team have already telegraphed their intention to make firmer demands of Islamabad than the Bush administration, and to back up those demands with a threatened curtailment of the plentiful military aid that has been at the heart of U.S.-Pakistani ties for the past three decades.
The separate strikes on two compounds, coming three hours apart and involving five missiles fired from Afghanistan-based Predator drone aircraft, were the first high-profile hostile military actions taken under Obama's four-day-old presidency. MORE HERE

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Sick em, Barry!
Exactly...

I agree with the quick strike capabilities when we gain intelligence that can rid us of a few vermin...

But what I'm waiting for is the REACTION from the human rights groups and other organizations that continually attacked GWB for using this very same measure...

When these things happened in the last couple of years, the media (both print and TV) were quick to run and find their favorite liberal pundit or college professor to denounce this stuff and remind us that GWB destroys sovereignty, breaks convention treaties, indescriminately kills civilians, and dreams of lollipop missiles in his sleep...

I expect a complete 180 and these same outlets will now applaud the activities of the president that were trashed just a few short months ago...

Remember...This is Obama's EXACT quote...

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"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.
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Pakistani tribesmen chant slogans against military operations and drone attacks in the tribal areas during a demonstration near the president's house and the parliament building in Islamabad January 23, 2009. Three civilians were killed and a soldier wounded in roadside bomb blast in Pakistan's Swat Valley on Friday as the government pondered its options for wresting control of the valley from Islamist militants
No "Hope and Change" here folks...

It's the same policy that been in existance for years...created by some guy named Bush...

The ONLY "Hope and Change" you're going to see is the media giving itself vertigo from twisting their opinions so fast based on nothing more than their taste in leaders...
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Exactly...

I agree with the quick strike capabilities when we gain intelligence that can rid us of a few vermin...

But what I'm waiting for is the REACTION from the human rights groups and other organizations that continually attacked GWB for using this very same measure...

When these things happened in the last couple of years, the media (both print and TV) were quick to run and find their favorite liberal pundit or college professor to denounce this stuff and remind us that GWB destroys sovereignty, breaks convention treaties, indescriminately kills civilians, and dreams of lollipop missiles in his sleep...

I expect a complete 180 and these same outlets will now applaud the activities of the president that were trashed just a few short months ago...

Remember...This is Obama's EXACT quote...



No "Hope and Change" here folks...

It's the same policy that been in existance for years...created by some guy named Bush...

The ONLY "Hope and Change" you're going to see is the media giving itself vertigo from twisting their opinions so fast based on nothing more than their taste in leaders...
I remember Obama asking the question in one of the debates. 'Why is Pakistan our ally if they are harboring terrorists?'
and everyone on the right giving a great big gufaw. 'Well he doesn't understand, blah blah blah...'
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I remember Obama asking the question in one of the debates. 'Why is Pakistan our ally if they are harboring terrorists?'
and everyone on the right giving a great big gufaw. 'Well he doesn't understand, blah blah blah...'
I understand perfectly...

AND I've explained it on this very forum...

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Why are we allies?
No. Really.
Although this MAY change, it's because government wasn't the problem; it's some members of their citizenry. (Unlike Iraq, where it was the opposite)...

Imagine if a militia in Montana decided to attack Canada...Canada wouldn't have a problem with the country in general...just the participants in the attack (and their supporters)...

Now, of course, if they found out that the US government PERMITTED the attack (or even helped in it), then that would be a different story...Canada would have a right to be hostile towards the country in general...

But if not...and even knew that the US government was trying to crack down on the militia the whole time, than Canada would not only still be friends, but understand that we are on their side in the attack...

When Mushareff was the president of Pakistan, he wasn't the greatest ally in the world, but he was the best choice considering the alternatives there...Now that he's gone, we're in the process of reassessing our position...The new administration in Pakistan doesn't exactly warm anyone's heart...
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I understand perfectly...

AND I've explained it on this very forum...
my reference was the right saying Obama didn't understand all the strategy involved in foreign affairs.

Guess he has a better handle on things than originally suspected.
Anyway I am glad someone is trying to get rid of terrorists. The Pakistani government is a joke when it comes to telling America anything near the truth.
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Obama certainly understands the strategy and he will "enhance" what works! Look at the people on his intelligence team,change will come in policy. From what I've seen,Obama is not in lock step with his party..expect even more airstrikes in the future..
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Obama certainly understands the strategy and he will "enhance" what works! Look at the people on his intelligence team,change will come in policy. From what I've seen,Obama is not in lock step with his party..expect even more airstrikes in the future..
Once again, I'm not in disagreement...I endorse it...

I fully understand that his decisions will only be partly mamby-pamby to pander to his base, but also see reality in certain situations...

My issue is the way it's going to be presented...A distinct roundabout by the media and punditry that will pull the square peg out of Bush's eound hole, then shave it to the exact dimension's of Obama's to make it fit nice and smooth...
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Once again, I'm not in disagreement...I endorse it...

I fully understand that his decisions will only be partly mamby-pamby to pander to his base, but also see reality in certain situations...

My issue is the way it's going to be presented...A distinct roundabout by the media and punditry that will pull the square peg out of Bush's eound hole, then shave it to the exact dimension's of Obama's to make it fit nice and smooth...
Sure but there are strategic political reasons for this. Obama is trying to dispel the notion that he is weak on terror,he may even go overboard a little in the process.It is "crucial" that he win some support from key conservatives during the first 100 days. Obama is a student of political history,he will make a few mistakes along the way but he will also try to avoid some of the mistakes of his predecessors.

McCain sure has been praising Obama and Hillary lately...

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