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Scientists say the coronavirus is at least as deadly as the 1918 flu pandemic

I kinda wondered about this; many advancements have been made.


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The coronavirus is at least as deadly as the 1918 flu pandemic and the death toll could even be worse if world leaders and public health officials fail to adequately contain it, researchers warned in a study published Thursday in the medical journal JAMA Network Open.
“What we want people to know is that this has 1918 potential,” lead author Dr. Jeremy Faust said in an interview, adding that the outbreak in New York was at least 70% as bad as the one in 1918 when doctors didn’t have ventilators or other advances to help save lives like they do today. “This is not something to just shrug off like the flu.”

Researchers compared excess deaths in New York City during the peak of the 1918 pandemic with those during the first few months of the Covid-19 outbreak. They used public data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and the U.S. Census Bureau to conduct their analysis.

The increase in deaths during the 1918 flu pandemic was higher overall, but comparable to that observed in the first two months of the coronavirus outbreak in New York City, the researchers found. But when taking into account improvements in hygiene, modern medicine and public health, the increase during the early coronavirus outbreak was “substantially greater” than during the peak of the 1918 pandemic, the researchers wrote.

“If insufficiently treated, SARS-CoV-2 infection may have comparable or greater mortality than 1918 H1N1 influenza virus infection,” Faust wrote in the paper. He’s a physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and an instructor at Harvard Medical School.

The study’s authors noted that their research had limitations. The researchers said it’s unknown how many Covid-19 deaths have been prevented since the outbreak began because of modern improvements in health care that weren’t available a century ago, such as supplemental oxygen and ventilators.
The new study comes as the coronavirus continues to rapidly spread across the United States and worldwide.
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Those scientists are smoking crack if they say the corona virus is as deadly as the spanish flu. Because almost a 3rd of the world was infected with it and around 50 million people died from it. We are nowhere near that and we have around four times the global population as we did back then and people are traveling around the world much more than they did back then. To compare the two is ****ing laughable.


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Scientists say the coronavirus is at least as deadly as the 1918 flu pandemic

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What kind of scientist came up with that crap. For the record...;Political scientists are not equivalent to Medical scientist.

As Jamesrage pointed out, the Spanish flu of 1919 killed almost 1/3 of the worlds population. This back when fewer people traveled like today.

Covid-19 doesn't even come close.
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What kind of scientist came up with that crap. For the record...;Political scientists are not equivalent to Medical scientist.

As Jamesrage pointed out, the Spanish flu of 1919 killed almost 1/3 of the worlds population. This back when fewer people traveled like today.

Covid-19 doesn't even come close.
Inected, not killed a 1/3 of the world's population. It killed 50 million people.
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Inected, not killed a 1/3 of the world's population. It killed 50 million people.
The more we find out about this COVID-19 the less impressive it's threat becomes.

And yet;

The more we find out about this COVID-19 the more the press and the opposing politics infect....., I'm sorry inject, the population with fear.

Children are the least likely to transmit this disease yet we deny them normal school experiences. At the same time we have purposely sent infected persons to old folks homes, containing the most venerable members of our population.

What kind of following the "science" is that?
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The more we find out about this COVID-19 the less impressive it's threat becomes.

And yet;

The more we find out about this COVID-19 the more the press and the opposing politics infect....., I'm sorry inject, the population with fear.
I suspect that shortly after the election this covid-19 nonsense will be over with.Regardless if Trump wins or loses the democrats won't have any need to use covid fear mongering to keep the economy screwed up. So after the elections an "effective" vaccine will magically be discovered and we will go back to life as normal. Unless those in office wish to use this to try to exert more power for themselves or try to use this covid-19 nonsense to screw China.


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Children are the least likely to transmit this disease yet we deny them normal school experiences. At the same time we have purposely sent infected persons to old folks homes, containing the most venerable members of our population.

What kind of following the "science" is that?
These are the same people that try to tell you that a biological man can be a woman or that climate change is mostly man made instead of something that has been naturally occurring for billions of years regardless of how severe or minute those changes are. So yes it would make perfect sense for them to basically shove sick people in with those whose health is compromised.
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Scientists say the coronavirus is at least as deadly as the 1918 flu pandemic

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"“....What we want people to know is that this has 1918 potential,” lead author Dr. Jeremy Faust said in an interview, adding that the outbreak in New York was at least 70% as bad as the one in 1918 when doctors didn’t have ventilators or other advances to help save lives like they do today. “This is not something to just shrug off like the flu....”"
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this guy is looking at the WORSE hit area and projecting from that?
that's good science?
It's like looking at worse player on a team and assuming that the whole team is like the worse team they ever played.

Also even at worse it's "70%".
and correct me if I'm wrong but i don't think ventilators saved tons of people, they prolonged life of some, but not much more.
But even 70% ain't "As deadly"

Also the 1918 flu "pandemic mostly killed young adults. In 1918–1919, 99% of pandemic influenza deaths in the U.S. occurred in people under 65, and nearly half of deaths were in young adults 20 to 40 years old. In 1920, the mortality rate among people under 65 had decreased sixfold to half the mortality rate of people over 65, but 92% of deaths still occurred in people under 65...." wiki
while this covid1984 is more like normal flu, being more deadly to those above 65 and with preexisting conditions.

So no it's NOT, as the headline reads "at least as deadly".
or even as the Dr actually says"POTENTIALLY" as deadly.
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Some people love to keep the public in fear.

Muslims' are gonna kill us all!
Irans' gonna kill us all!
Russias' gonna kill us all!
Climate Change is gonna kill us all!
Covid is gonna kill us all!

reminds me of the General MacArthur quote,
Our swollen budgets constantly have been misrepresented to the public. Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear — kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor — with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real.
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Scientists are hardly a monolith of thought. To be so they would not be scientists. As a rule, each must be a skeptic about their fellow "scientist." It's called the "Scientific Method" and includes a reasoned speculation followed by peer reviews.

And at the end of the day, it is only generally accepted thought. Not necessarily the actual, factual, truth.

And although some are highly qualified in their particular field, none are actually "experts" on everything science.

When scientist collude with politicians, it is incumbent on one to be especially skeptical.


Be careful when trusting an expert his/her opinion on a subject. Remember that "experts" built the Titanic; amateurs built the Ark!
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