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US-Backed Kurds Declare ISIS ‘Defeated’ in Syria
ISIS remnants remain a concern after 'territorial defeat'
Jason Ditz Posted on March 23, 2019Categories NewsTags ISIS, Syria

Following repeated false claims of victory, the US-backed Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) announced on Saturday that they are formally declaring ISIS to be “100% territorially defeated,” with the final capture of Baghouz, in Syria’s far east.
This comes after several years of fighting against ISIS, and nearly three months of fighting just over the tiny village of Baghouz. SDF officials are talking about the victory, but at the same time concede that there may be, and most likely are, ISIS remnant fighters in the desert.
ISIS spokesman Abu Hassan al-Muhajir has issued an audio recording anticipating the fall of Baghouz, insisting that the “caliphate” is not finished, despite having lost all of their territory. Some US officials are estimated 15,000 to 20,000 armed ISIS fighters could remain in the region.

But the fall of the last ISIS territory is still significant. ISIS lost their last Iraqi territory in 2017, and have now lost any meaningful territory in Syria. Though their fighters are believed to be in the desert areas on both sides of the Iraq-Syria border, it is unclear how they will manage without any towns.
It has always been expected that the loss of all territory would mean ISIS converting from a de facto state back into an insurgency. How effectively they will do this remains to be seen, but the group has shown an ability to adapt in different stages of the war.
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/03/23/...ated-in-syria/

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This is of course good news, but it's a little ominous to know that the forces that just defeated ISIS are currently on the losing end of a civil war.

The Syrian Govt Forces will be coming for these guys soon. As well as the Turkish Government forces.

If tRUmp just abandons them to be slaughtered it will be not only a huge betrayal it will also signify that American promises mean nothing to the rest of the world where we might need local help and support, and it will also once again play into Russian interests.
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Syrian Army Deploys to Manbij in New Alliance With Kurds
Turkey says Kurds have no authority to invite Syrian army into major Syrian city
Jason Ditz Posted on December 28, 2018

With Turkey’s imminent invasion of Kurdish territory in northeastern Syria expected to begin any day, the Kurdish YPG has quickly secured a new alliance with the Syrian government. Within short order, the Syrian Army has arrived in the city of Manibj, on the Euphrates River, to help with its defense.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is reporting that this first deployment is of over 300 Syrian troops, with military spokesmen saying they are to deploy on the city’s outskirts with the goal of “defeating all invaders and occupiers.” There are US and French troops still within the city of Manbij itself, and Turkish-backed rebels advancing on the city from the north, with the expectation that this will be the first target of the new Turkish invasion.

US officials confirmed that “dozens” of US troops remain in the city, and have seen no sign of the Syrian forces trying to enter. Though the US is nominally aligned with the Kurds, the withdrawal is coming at the behest of, and in coordination with, Turkey.
Turkey, naturally, is objecting to this new deployment, insisting that the Kurdish YPG have “no authority” to invite anyone else into Manbij, and claiming it was destabilizing the region. As Manbij is on the western shore of the Euphrates, Turkey has long ruled out allowing Kurds to remain there, though with most of the upcoming invasion targeting Kurds east of the river, this boundary means increasingly little.
At any rate, it’s unlikely that the Kurdish YPG considered themselves to need any particular authority to request the help of Syria’s military to protect a Syrian city from foreign invasion. It’s also difficult to argue that resisting an invasion amounts to “destabilizing” anything.
Syria’s Army similarly sent troops to the Afrin District to try to help them resist a Turkish invasion. This failed, though the district is immediately along the Turkish frontier, and far from Syrian supply lines, which limited their ability to support the defense.

Manbij, by contrast, is a major city and right on major highways. Syria has a military presence not far south to call reinforcements, and after Russia warning Turkey against the invasion, may well be able to call in Russian support as well.
The hope, at least for now, is that the presence of these troops will deter a Turkish invasion, as the presence of US troops in Manbij previously had. Turkish officials have been very public on their intention to invade, however, making it unlikely that they’ll not launch some sort of offensive against the area.
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/12/28/...ce-with-kurds/
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This is of course good news, but it's a little ominous to know that the forces that just defeated ISIS are currently on the losing end of a civil war.

The Syrian Govt Forces will be coming for these guys soon. As well as the Turkish Government forces.

If tRUmp just abandons them to be slaughtered it will be not only a huge betrayal it will also signify that American promises mean nothing to the rest of the world where we might need local help and support, and it will also once again play into Russian interests.
I think we have found something on which we can agree. Yes I believe that the United States should do whatever it can to align with and provide for protection for the Kurds. They have been loyal to the rule of law and a fierce foe to our enemies. The United States needs to stand with them.
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I think we have found something on which we can agree. Yes I believe that the United States should do whatever it can to align with and provide for protection for the Kurds. They have been loyal to the rule of law and a fierce foe to our enemies. The United States needs to stand with them.
i think i see pigs flying! lol


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I think we have found something on which we can agree. Yes I believe that the United States should do whatever it can to align with and provide for protection for the Kurds. They have been loyal to the rule of law and a fierce foe to our enemies. The United States needs to stand with them.
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i think i see pigs flying! lol
theres gotta me something else. Tell me you hate the patriots too???
So it looks like the left and right are basically the same on war and intervention policies.

whodathunk it?
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i think i see pigs flying! lol


theres gotta me something else. Tell me you hate the patriots too???
As an Ohio State fan, the site of a player from that state just to our north playing QB for the Patriots is enough to make me hate them. LOL
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So it looks like the left and right are basically the same on war and intervention policies.

whodathunk it?
You may believe what you like, but as a people with a conscious, I don't know how you can sit idly by and watch the slaughter of a group of people that have done nothing but support you at their own peril. Think whatever you want about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but there is little doubt that the Kurd's were a loyal ally in those fights. They deserve support from the United States.
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You may believe what you like, but as a people with a conscious, I don't know how you can sit idly by and watch the slaughter of a group of people that have done nothing but support you at their own peril. Think whatever you want about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but there is little doubt that the Kurd's were a loyal ally in those fights. They deserve support from the United States.
They have been loyal allies, in everyone of our BS wars and in the M.E..
They've also been pawns of the U.S. imperial power struggles who we've left in the lurch on several previous occasions.
We Supported Saddam when he was killing Kurds in Iraq,
After the 1st Iraq war we left them to deal with Saddam again.
the U.S. gov't has off and on supported the Turks and other Groups that do not have the Kurds welfare in mind.

The question isn't whether or not the Kurds are worthy of our support. They are. The question is whether or not we have the right to give it?
Do we send troops and arms in to crave out a new nation for them between Iraq, Turkey and Syria? that's what they really need. Outside of that are still in the weeds. And long have been between many rocks and hard places. Giving them arms/supplies to defend themselves and poltica support is probably the most we can LEGALLY and Constitutionally DO. Unless we want to nation build... which is NOT our Job. And if so whose next? Yeman, is being beaten to crap by Sadui Arbia with our help? where's our moral U.S. military actions there. What about North Korea, the south Koreans have been great allies far longer than the kurds shouldn't we just clean up that northern mess?

No. we are not the worlds police or mr. fix it. we don't even know HOW.
Iraq is STILL a mess. Libya's a mess, Afghanistan is a mess, etc etc..
Nope. arms, supplies and advice, IF we can do it legally. nNot by pretending we can go into any country unannounced and do whatever the H377 we want just because we're AMERICA.
We wouldn't stand for it if other nations did it to us here, or if some other nations did it others.

(though i'm not against certain kinds of covert back door NON-Military assistance)
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"Kurds make up the Middle East's fourth-largest ethnic group, but they have never obtained statehood."

I left out Iran and Armenia as part of the states the Kurds could crave out of.
Israel got their nation peacefully, after WWI, via backroom deals at the U.N. and elsewhere. Be great if the Kurds could make that happen with our humanitarian and political help.
they'd be OIL RICH as well.
That's part of the reason for their troubles.
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