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devil's advocate here: Could the glacier have moved on top of the plane by some means like a shift in terra firma?
It could, and most likely something like that contributed. In spite of popular opinion, ice is not a solid like steel. Ice flows. Most likely the ice flowed over the plane(s). The fact remains, though, that the ice didn't melt.

My comment was a little cynical, but the warmists claimed that the polar ice would be gone by now, yet here we have evidence that it is not only not gone, but expanding.
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The polar ice will come and go, and all the carbon pollution in the world produced over the last 100 years by humans will never equal the giant eruptions and pollution and darkening by volcanoes several million years ago. Planet Earth is still here. My opinion.

Now, back to the airmen.
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devil's advocate here: Could the glacier have moved on top of the plane by some means like a shift in terra firma?
Or the plane could have fallen into a crevasse and then been engulfed by the moving glacier.

But why speculate on what could have been to support a theory having no connection to the event?

300 feet of ice over the plane means the area of Greenland where Al Gore said "all glacierice would be melted by 2010" is still ice cold. You know, below 32 degrees F.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself there.
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devil's advocate here: Could the glacier have moved on top of the plane by some means like a shift in terra firma?
to my knowledge (i could be somewhat off here but) glaciers tend to crush things that it covers like that.

But what seems to have happened is, the planes landed on a glacier. the crews abandoned the planes there, Then more snow and ice covered and grew the glacier and added the planes along with them.
But the planes did moved ALONG with the glacier... about 3 miles or so I believe i read somewhere.

No mentioned of crevasses or falling by the discoverers, or Ice flowing over objects in ways I don't think has been observed. Seems to have been Just regular snow, rain, sleet, hail, accumulation over 50 years.

again the simply and obvious explanation ruins the gradual accumulation over 1os of thousands of years idea.
If people are open to the evidence ... like scientist... rather than clinging to the current popular theories.
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Or the plane could have fallen into a crevasse and then been engulfed by the moving glacier.

But why speculate on what could have been to support a theory having no connection to the event?

300 feet of ice over the plane means the area of Greenland where Al Gore said "all glacierice would be melted by 2010" is still ice cold. You know, below 32 degrees F.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself there.
I don't remember Al Gore saying that! roflmao you funny, mr wig wam
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to my knowledge (i could be somewhat off here but) glaciers tend to crush things that it covers like that.

But what seems to have happened is, the planes landed on a glacier. the crews abandoned the planes there, Then more snow and ice covered and grew the glacier and added the planes along with them.
But the planes did moved ALONG with the glacier... about 3 miles or so I believe i read somewhere.

No mentioned of crevasses or falling by the discoverers, or Ice flowing over objects in ways I don't think has been observed. Seems to have been Just regular snow, rain, sleet, hail, accumulation over 50 years.

again the simply and obvious explanation ruins the gradual accumulation over 1os of thousands of years idea.
If people are open to the evidence ... like scientist... rather than clinging to the current popular theories.
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I don't think scientists have said glacier ice won't accumulate in many of all the usual places. Have they? In fact there is a saying here in Eastern Idaho, "It's not warm enough for snow."
It's like this. It has to get cold alright but then warm up a little plus have the moisture content in the air for precipitation. If it's too cold you might get ice crystals or hail here in the winter time. But when a warm break comes along- like 28, 30, 31 F degrees or so, that's when you get snow. If it freezes right away you have ya know black ice. But a couple years ago when we had our "Snowmaggedon" it really wasn't that cold for up here.
And had the temperature dropped significantly even after all the snow days, there would have been ice unreal.


It is warmer in this 100 year cycle but I never went by that because I've talked with people who read their granny's diary or whatever and there was a heat wave back then too.


I do think a lot of erosion is happening everywhere and that is man made also. I wish they'd fight about pollution . I would definitely take that on
Makes me think some politicians and others would rather we think about something we can never prove-till it's too late. Instead of talking about what is really hurting our planet and so far preventable.
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I don't think scientists have said glacier ice won't accumulate in many of all the usual places. Have they? In fact there is a saying here in Eastern Idaho, "It's not warm enough for snow."
It's like this. It has to get cold alright but then warm up a little plus have the moisture content in the air for precipitation. If it's too cold you might get ice crystals or hail here in the winter time. But when a warm break comes along- like 28, 30, 31 F degrees or so, that's when you get snow. If it freezes right away you have ya know black ice. But a couple years ago when we had our "Snowmaggedon" it really wasn't that cold for up here.
And had the temperature dropped significantly even after all the snow days, there would have been ice unreal.
i'm not sure about all you're saying here.
BUt glaceirs have made it very far south during previous times.
Also it's been much warmer at the poles in the past than now. Greenland was once green... as well as parts of the poles. long before manmade fuels and the like.


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It is warmer in this 100 year cycle but I never went by that because I've talked with people who read their granny's diary or whatever and there was a heat wave back then too.
concerning the past 100 years or so, in my area of VA a local historian showed me many photos of a nearby river frozen solid. Seems to have happen every year for quite sometime. Some photos and older art work showed skaters crossing from one side to the other without a care. during my 55 plus years I've never seen the same river even ICE UP along the edges. let alone freeze.
I'm sure climate is different depending on various local conditions but seems to me that's one piece of evidence for a natural warming cycle.

During the 1920 there was the "dust bowl" that did have to do with man made actions in the plains ruing the grasslands holding down the earth.
But there are stories of heat waves in the west hotter or as hot as today during the 1800s.

the "climate record" and even the current "climate" and temps records are not as clear as some would like to make out especially when people are talking about changes of .5 .25 degrees.

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I do think a lot of erosion is happening everywhere and that is man made also. I wish they'd fight about pollution . I would definitely take that on
Makes me think some politicians and others would rather we think about something we can never prove-till it's too late. Instead of talking about what is really hurting our planet and so far preventable.
even if i thought climate change were true... and i used to lean that way BTW... I've never heard any real solutions to the problem.
Plus Al Gore said over 10 years ago that if we didn't "do something" within that current 10 years frame, that we were all doomed.
So it seems to me that either we're doom at this point anyway so Yes lets deal with other problems and find ways to manage the in the new temperatures that are similar to what other humans and animals dealt with in the past. because it's been both hotter and colder than it is now and the human race as somehow shuffled along.


Cleaning the air and waters is somewhat doable.
Alternative energy IMO is very doable.
Bringing back coral reefs and fisheries.. doable.
changing the global climate?!?!? sorry, I just don't by that the scientist have a handle on HOW to get that done.
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