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On Fox & Friends Erik Prince calls for privatizing the US war in Afghanistan and says it could be won in under two years

the founder of the mercenary company "Blackwater" is going around the TV cable news shows pitching this idea to public and the president.
his main selling points are.
1. the U.S. military and Gov't is not up to the job, even Trump and generals actions this year have cost more money (62 Billion!) and FAILED he said it's " a continuous litany of death and failure" "Russia did a better job" ,tut tut.
2. He could do it better. if He was or someone like him was put in charge of the operation for an extended period of time. Like a warlord or colonial overlord, with his paid mercenaries and trainers that he could keep in the fields at over 10 months to 2 years at a stretches for operational consistency.
3. the U.S. gov't is spending about 50 billion a year now, I'll only charge ya about 15% of THAT apx 10 Billion. what a deal!

Problems?
•Practically speaking in Afghanistan he's talking about his private Army with an American warlord directing the shots with full discretionary power. AND the ability to order the U.S. Air force activity. Since the private army don't have no modern airforce... yet. I suspect they don't have other military equipment -and troop support- that they'd expect to be supplied with as well.. So I'm not so sure about how the big monetary discount works here.
•And, He wants to create a large Private Army with the ability to overthow a country. that's a good idea? So that means they can work for any country. Private = highest bidder right? Could they hire anyone, how are they accountable to the U.S. Gov't and people exactly?
•If he's making 10-Billion a year, what's the capitalistic the incentive to END the war in Afghanistan ...or anywhere? What's the incentive to continue it? How about fomenting war elsewhere?

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https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...der-two/221039
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BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): Our next guest is urging the president to rethink his strategy and replace U.S. military personnel with a smaller group of civilian contractors and special forces operators in the civilian world. So, could this shakeup finally turn a page in America's longest war? Here to discuss is former Navy SEAL and founder of Blackwater USA, Erik Prince.
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ERIK PRINCE (FOUNDER, BLACKWATER USA): It's not a privatization, it's really a rationalization. Right now, you have 15,000 U.S. troops and 30,000 contractors. By going back to a small footprint that worked, you put mentors, basically special forces veterans, they go back as contractors, and attach to each Afghan unit. They live with, train with, and fight with. (period) You support them with air power that shows up reliably, which is not the case now.
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PRINCE: The president should appoint a special envoy, someone that's like a bankruptcy trustee. Because, if you can't call almost $2 trillion in spending and 17 years of losses to the Taliban a bankruptcy situation, I don't know what is. If he appoints a special envoy, one person that the president can hold in charge, give them the Title 50 authorities, like when we went in after 9/11, it was the agency with the military supporting the CIA that worked.

KILMEADE: So you believe you have the men and women right now, they are members of NATO -- NATO nations, and Americans?

PRINCE: U.S. or NATO, correct.

KILMEADE: You have them on the roster?

PRINCE: The plan would send U.S. special forces veterans and NATO combat veterans back into Afghanistan, because we fix the continuity issue. Right now, for the last 17 years, the U.S. has sent units, they deploy there for 8 months. They spend a couple months getting to know the area, they're productive for a few months, they spend the last two months getting ready to go home and making sure everyone is safe. They lift that unit up, send it back, send a new one in, and repeat. We've done that 30 times now, so there is no continuity.
Going to a mentor contract model, I can put that same guy in there for years at a time. In the same valley with the same unit. They know the terrain, they know the locals and they build the confidence of the local units.

KILMEADE: How much does it cost?

PRINCE: It costs about 15 percent of what we're spending now.
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PRINCE: The military industrial complex is real. OK? The very unhealthy loop of massive spending on the Pentagon into wasteful wars, recycled back into political campaigns is a problem on both right and left. The president rightly campaigned on ending endless wars. This is America's longest war, it's the first time we've had the kids of soldiers now fighting. Kids that were toddlers when the Towers fell here in New York, now fighting and dying there.

KILMEADE: How long would it take to you win?

PRINCE: Winning looks like a long-term presence on a descending scale. So, it's a year and a half, to two years of continued structural support. If you turn -- look, Afghanistan has significant natural resources. The Taliban is making money from it, none of the legitimate miners are. You set security in those areas, you can actually turn on those parts of the economy. Sadly, the Soviet Union did a much better job of developing the economy, the oil and gas, and the resources there. Afghanistan is sitting on huge amounts of rare earth elements, which is what's needed for the American manufacturing industry, especially in high tech sectors.
BTW this guy gave Trump money to run and has been an supporter and advisor. but he says the Trump Afghanistan war efforts are clearly FAILING. He says the the Military industrial complex is real , that system buying off congress is REAL.
Those points i agree with him on. Just seems like he wants in on the game with this pitch. But He says he could close the war in 2 years... with declining level of activity... while blinking like a liar...
However in the next breath he explains that Afghanistan has "Resources" oil and rare earths that "American manufactures" need and therefore "we" need to have "security presence" there (indefinitely is implied). so the war is not about security, or terrorist, but stability FOR RESOURCES.

Look, instead of creating a new monster,and keep flushing billions down the rat hole how about WE LEAVE.
17 years and TRILLIONS of dollars and unknown thousands of lives ... MORE drugs around the world.is there any national security reason to stay or will national PRIDE keep us there. sending ANOTHER generation of U.S. young people though the mill.
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires will we learn the lesson?
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yeah F that
private contractors have done enough harm
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On Fox & Friends Erik Prince calls for privatizing the US war in Afghanistan and says it could be won in under two years

the founder of the mercenary company "Blackwater" is going around the TV cable news shows pitching this idea to public and the president.
his main selling points are.
1. the U.S. military and Gov't is not up to the job, even Trump and generals actions this year have cost more money (62 Billion!) and FAILED he said it's " a continuous litany of death and failure" "Russia did a better job" ,tut tut.
2. He could do it better. if He was or someone like him was put in charge of the operation for an extended period of time. Like a warlord or colonial overlord, with his paid mercenaries and trainers that he could keep in the fields at over 10 months to 2 years at a stretches for operational consistency.
3. the U.S. gov't is spending about 50 billion a year now, I'll only charge ya about 15% of THAT apx 10 Billion. what a deal!

Problems?
•Practically speaking in Afghanistan he's talking about his private Army with an American warlord directing the shots with full discretionary power. AND the ability to order the U.S. Air force activity. Since the private army don't have no modern airforce... yet. I suspect they don't have other military equipment -and troop support- that they'd expect to be supplied with as well.. So I'm not so sure about how the big monetary discount works here.
•And, He wants to create a large Private Army with the ability to overthow a country. that's a good idea? So that means they can work for any country. Private = highest bidder right? Could they hire anyone, how are they accountable to the U.S. Gov't and people exactly?
•If he's making 10-Billion a year, what's the capitalistic the incentive to END the war in Afghanistan ...or anywhere? What's the incentive to continue it? How about fomenting war elsewhere?



BTW this guy gave Trump money to run and has been an supporter and advisor. but he says the Trump Afghanistan war efforts are clearly FAILING. He says the the Military industrial complex is real , that system buying off congress is REAL.
Those points i agree with him on. Just seems like he wants in on the game with this pitch. But He says he could close the war in 2 years... with declining level of activity... while blinking like a liar...
However in the next breath he explains that Afghanistan has "Resources" oil and rare earths that "American manufactures" need and therefore "we" need to have "security presence" there (indefinitely is implied). so the war is not about security, or terrorist, but stability FOR RESOURCES.

Look, instead of creating a new monster,and keep flushing billions down the rat hole how about WE LEAVE.
17 years and TRILLIONS of dollars and unknown thousands of lives ... MORE drugs around the world.is there any national security reason to stay or will national PRIDE keep us there. sending ANOTHER generation of U.S. young people though the mill.
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires will we learn the lesson?
What happened when we turned our back on Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat? Oh wait, the Taliban rose to power creating a safe haven for terrorists. You know, the terrorists that orchestrated 911 among other terrorist attacks.

Recall Lord Acton's famous quote on the lessons of history?

Maybe Prince's self serving proposition is a solution for ending the longest war in American history. Maybe not. What is clear is that what we are doing now is not working. Instead of encouraging terrorists worldwide to just keep fighting until the US politicians make it unpopular to do anything but abandon the country, why not try at least on a limited basis a different approach?

Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. That is the reason terrorism and opium farming flourish. If natural resources provide an alternative to the current malignant economy they can only be exploited after stability has been achieved. This isn't going to happen under the new Taliban regime.
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