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History, Geography, & Military Discuss White House: U.S. Canít Afford Veteransí Health Care Without Cuts at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by ShivaTD Democrats have been fighting unsuccessfully to dramatically increase spending on the VA for years. Using tax ...

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Old 07-21-2018, 10:20 AM
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Democrats have been fighting unsuccessfully to dramatically increase spending on the VA for years.

Using tax dollars to fund the VA is responsible. Cutting tax revenues with tax cuts for the wealthy when we have deficit spending is irresponsible. Raise the taxes on the wealthy that can afford a much higher tax rate is the way to responsibly fund the VA and other federal expenditures. The wealthy were able to afford a 70% tax rate when Reagan took office and they're making more money today (i.e. a higher percentage of all personal income) than they were in 1980 so why not go back to the rates that funded government then?
Stop the dishonest practice of editing my comments. It is understandable you wish to avoid responding to rebuttal of your rants but the practice just shows an inability to engage in discussion.

Noble Democrats have been fighting for veterans? Obama packed more than $9 trillion on to the national debt but the VA is still under funded. Obama and the Democrats spent money like water on record food stamp and disability payments participation along with mushrooming student loan debt along with creating a new, expanded Obamacare entitlement but don't worry they want to fight for veterans so it's all good.

In the last paragraph the Democrats real objective for deploying veterans as human shields is revealed, they hate the idea of Americans keeping more of their own money so they want taxes raised to confiscatory rates, it's to save the veterans you know. According to the Democrats every Federal government expenditure except for defense is absolutely vital none can be reduced without irreparable harm.
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Stop the dishonest practice of editing my comments. It is understandable you wish to avoid responding to rebuttal of your rants but the practice just shows an inability to engage in discussion.

Noble Democrats have been fighting for veterans? Obama packed more than $9 trillion on to the national debt but the VA is still under funded. Obama and the Democrats spent money like water on record food stamp and disability payments participation along with mushrooming student loan debt along with creating a new, expanded Obamacare entitlement but don't worry they want to fight for veterans so it's all good.

In the last paragraph the Democrats real objective for deploying veterans as human shields is revealed, they hate the idea of Americans keeping more of their own money so they want taxes raised to confiscatory rates, it's to save the veterans you know. According to the Democrats every Federal government expenditure except for defense is absolutely vital none can be reduced without irreparable harm.
first didn't you say democrats dont do anything for veterans? now you're saying they do and its a ploy? which is it?
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Satwn: Where did you get that quote from?
Trump: U.S. Can?t Afford Veterans? Health Care Without Cuts
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maybe this article is more clear:

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President Trump is preparing to sign a sweeping new law Wednesday aimed at expanding veterans' access to private-sector healthcare. But behind the scenes his administration is fighting a bipartisan Senate effort to fund the legislation.
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The VA Mission Act authorizes new healthcare programs for veterans, but the bill does not reserve federal money to pay for those programs. A group of powerful Senate committee chairmen aims to remedy that by amending a separate measure to pay for the new $50-billion law, saying that adding the funds is the best way to ensure the new programs give veterans access to medical care.

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But the White House has engaged in a quiet effort to thwart the senators' plan, encouraging lawmakers to vote it down and instead asking Congress to pay for the veterans programs by cutting spending elsewhere.
so choose between your gramma and your soldier son

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White House officials are circulating a memo on Capitol Hill this week that slams the senators' proposal as "anathema to responsible spending" and predicts it would lead to ballooning costs and "virtually unlimited increases" in veterans' spending on private healthcare.
then don't change the VA. Leave it exactly where it is It already sends veterans to private facilities whenever needed. I know this personally.

Trump to sign veterans health bill as White House works against plan to fund it

I regret it's so serious a subject, but he is using republican's own tactics against them.
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first didn't you say democrats dont do anything for veterans? now you're saying they do and its a ploy? which is it?
I wrote that Democrats are using veterans as human shields for their tax increase agenda. Pretending funding veterans care can only be funded by increased spending instead of cutting spending elsewhere is nonsense. As a tiny example the department of education has 80 separate teacher improvement programs each one requiring it's own staffing and funding. No doubt each has it's own constituency willing to proclaim it as absolutely vital. But like any responsible family or any of the 38 states that require a balanced budget the Federal government ought to make hard choices.
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I wrote that Democrats are using veterans as human shields for their tax increase agenda. Pretending funding veterans care can only be funded by increased spending instead of cutting spending elsewhere is nonsense. As a tiny example the department of education has 80 separate teacher improvement programs each one requiring it's own staffing and funding. No doubt each has it's own constituency willing to proclaim it as absolutely vital. But like any responsible family or any of the 38 states that require a balanced budget the Federal government ought to make hard choices.
Richard Shelby is not a Democrat
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Richard Shelby is not a Democrat
Shelby voted for the income tax reform bill. He is not using funding veterans care as a platform to attack tax cuts with the veterans serving as human shields. That common tactic used almost exclusively by Democrats.

It can be argued that Shelby's support for simply raising the spending caps is irresponsible and plays into political opponents hands. But the comment was about the Democrat tactic of using a sympathetic group to shield their attempt to raise taxes.

Harry Reid used his power as Senate majority leader to wipe out the text of a House passed veterans benefits bill replacing the text with the Obamacare monstrosity. He did this to circumvent the requirement for spending bills to originate in the House. Democrats who now bray about their overflowing love for veterans tossed them aside for political convenience just like they will do the veterans if they can get tax increases.
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First, the title here is a lie. It should read "Can't Afford Increasing Veteran's Healthcare Without Cuts". Then it would be accurate, and truthful.

Second, there is no reason we can't reduce some areas of the budget to increase Veteran's healthcare.
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