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Old 05-28-2018, 02:50 PM
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Jesse Ventura is absolutely right.
and it doesn't matter if he's "A flake" or folks don't don't like anything else he's ever said.

If he says the Sky is Blue and you can see It's Blue. then what he said is TRUE. period end of story
simple as that,

Bombing Syria BOTH times was unconstitutional and an illegal act of war.
I've pointed that out in several threads that got basically no replies. over the past year or so.

Obama's actions in Libya and drone striking other countries. the same.
Bush as well. But admittedly Bush had somewhat better legal cover he simply lied... cough'badintel'cough'... and to get it.

presidential over reach is out of control.
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Trump is constitutionally over the line and clearly breaking the war powers act. (after Obama's lead).
He's Bombed a sovereign nation at least twice and there ARE at least 2000 U.S. troops on the ground today in Syria. (admittedly shooting a Syria and Russian Troops)
At least 500 were there while Obama was in office Trump bumped the numbers or "disclosed" the numbers as 2000+.
So IF the war powers act applied. he'd be far over the "90 day limit becasue they've been in Syria the whole time Trump's been in office!


As far as presidents seizing WAR POWER in general, and not getting declarations of war, it started when Truman SEIZED the power to go into Korea on non existent legal pretense, of a "police action". Johnson and Nixon sent troops into Vietnam and Nixon secretly bombed Cambodia for like a year. When caught and called on it he fought the congress on even producing the generous "war powers act" CLAIMING that he already had those powers. He vetoed it but the congress had the votes to override.
Other presidents have done similar, with only a few congress people challenging the actions, some by offering impeachment papers that went nowhere others by filing suits that dead-ended in Courts that sadly didn't want to act against a sitting president. Dick Chenney expressly said that he wanted the president to exercise MORE powers than he legally had. The Sad thing at this point is it's been done so many times now that people seem to think "its NORMAL" or even good that a president can fire missiles, drop bombs or send troops into foreign countries AT WILL at his singular discretion.

People crossing the boarder and setting up house in the U.S. is normal by the same standard. But somehow many people see the problem with the illegality and want it stopped. The fact that something has been allowed to go on for some time doesn't make it legal, or mean it's a good idea.
Obama's DACCA and his drone strikes to 17+ different countries, Military actions to oust Qaddafi, continuing many of the Bush era spying on citizens among other things, all unconstitutional. All instigated unilaterally by the executive branch, it's off the chain.
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seriously?
Do we have room to post the videos of Trump talking out of his Arse on nearly every subject known to man Hairy?
Does it mean that EVERYTHING that Trump has said is in fact Bat S#!+ Stupid?
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What can we do about over reach ? for now and the future?
I heard and read many comments about it re war over the years but I'm at a loss as to what to do other than be happy when one potus doesnt act w/o consent but then they can change their mind
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What can we do about over reach ? for now and the future?
I heard and read many comments about it re war over the years but I'm at a loss as to what to do other than be happy when one potus doesnt act w/o consent but then they can change their mind
I mean POTUS needs to have the power to act immediately on our behalf but not since Pearl Harbor has their been that type of emergency.
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nobody fU_ing said 911 wasn't after clinton.
do you ever read up on current events ?
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Yes, I do keep up with current events.

What I don't do is string random conspiracy theory sentences together and expect that other people will think that I'm honestly debating from an intelligent position. Silly me.
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I haven't been in the mood for taco's lately, but yesterday I did smoke some baby back ribs that turned out awesome. I can share that recipe if you wish.
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Trump is constitutionally over the line and clearly breaking the war powers act. (after Obama's lead).
He's Bombed a sovereign nation at least twice and there ARE at least 2000 U.S. troops on the ground today in Syria. (admittedly shooting a Syria and Russian Troops)
At least 500 were there while Obama was in office Trump bumped the numbers or "disclosed" the numbers as 2000+.
So IF the war powers act applied. he'd be far over the "90 day limit becasue they've been in Syria the whole time Trump's been in office!


As far as presidents seizing WAR POWER in general, and not getting declarations of war, it started when Truman SEIZED the power to go into Korea on non existent legal pretense, of a "police action". Johnson and Nixon sent troops into Vietnam and Nixon secretly bombed Cambodia for like a year. When caught and called on it he fought the congress on even producing the generous "war powers act" CLAIMING that he already had those powers. He vetoed it but the congress had the votes to override.
Other presidents have done similar, with only a few congress people challenging the actions, some by offering impeachment papers that went nowhere others by filing suits that dead-ended in Courts that sadly didn't want to act against a sitting president. Dick Chenney expressly said that he wanted the president to exercise MORE powers than he legally had. The Sad thing at this point is it's been done so many times now that people seem to think "its NORMAL" or even good that a president can fire missiles, drop bombs or send troops into foreign countries AT WILL at his singular discretion.

People crossing the boarder and setting up house in the U.S. is normal by the same standard. But somehow many people see the problem with the illegality and want it stopped. The fact that something has been allowed to go on for some time doesn't make it legal, or mean it's a good idea.
Obama's DACCA and his drone strikes to 17+ different countries, Military actions to oust Qaddafi, continuing many of the Bush era spying on citizens among other things, all unconstitutional. All instigated unilaterally by the executive branch, it's off the chain.
Given your understanding of the constitution, Trump is over the line. Given intelligent consideration Trump might be over the line.
The so-called abuse you refer to didn't start with Truman, but goes all the way back to Washington.
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I mean POTUS needs to have the power to act immediately on our behalf but not since Pearl Harbor has their been that type of emergency.
There have been a couple of others. The Cuban missile crises comes to mind. But your point is well taken. The last President who went to Congress was Bush, and since, after the Kuwait/Iraq issue, tended to act on his own.

We're now involved in wars in so many countries that I no longer have a count. And none have been declared a war.

My take? Unless the missiles are on their way, the President goes to Congress. Unless we have an actual provable national interest, the troops stay home.
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