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I'm surprised nobody else has posted about this here yet:

American soldiers and Russian Mercenaries fought, it wasn't really a battle. It was a massacre. Russia was attempting to intimidate US forces into abandoning a position and were in turn summarily destroyed.

It's textbook Putin. Prod and see what you can get away with while also having some deniability. Don't escalate when you come up against resistance. Even if we all know it's a lie and since there were no American casualties we don't even have to officially respond.


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On the night of February 7, “pro-regime” Syrian forces reportedly launched an assault on a “known” American base. American forces defended themselves with attack helicopters, jets, and AC-130 gunships, and the attackers withdrew after taking significant casualties.

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As rumors swirled online that the true number of Russian dead numbered in the hundreds, the Washington Post published a report suggesting that the attack on U.S. forces may have had official Russian backing:

A Russian oligarch believed to control the Russian mercenaries who attacked U.S. troops and their allies in Syria this month was in close touch with Kremlin and *Syrian officials in the days and weeks before and after the assault, according to U.S. intelligence reports.

In intercepted communications in late January, the oligarch, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, told a senior Syrian official that he had “secured permission” from an unspecified Russian minister to move forward with a “fast and strong” initiative that would take place in early February.

This, by the way, is the same oligarch that special counsel Robert Mueller indicted for alleged criminal acts committed in the Russian effort to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Monday, Business Insider published unverified transcripts of “leaked audio recordings” from Russian mercenaries on the scene. The mercenaries describe a violent hellscape, where they were sitting ducks as American artillery and aircraft killed more than 200 of their comrades.

The alleged transcripts certainly make for vivid reading. Here’s a taste:
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we’ve had our asses f*** kicked. So, one squadron f**** lost 200 people …right away, another one lost 10 people… and I don’t know about the third squadron but it got torn up pretty badly, too... So three squadrons took a beating… The Yankees attacked… first they blasted the f*** out of us by artillery and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a f*** merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns….They were all shelling the holy f*** out of it and our guys didn’t have anything besides the assault rifles… nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that…So they tore us to pieces for sure, put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the Russians were coming, that it was us, f*** Russians… Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery and the Yankees were holding it… We got our f**** asses beat rough, my men called me... They’re there drinking now… many have gone missing… it’s a total f***-up, it sucks, another takedown….Everybody, you know, treats us like pieces of sh*** ... They beat our asses like we were little pieces of sh***... but our f*** government will go in reverse now and nobody will respond or anything and nobody will punish anyone for this... So these are our casualties…
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“Just had a call with a guy; so they basically formed a convoy, but did not get to their f*** positions by some three hundred meters. One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place, about 300 meters from the others. The others raised the American f*** flag and their artillery started f*** ours really hard. Then their f*** choppers flew in and starter f*** everybody. Ours just running around. Just got a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f*** killed. They simply rolled ours out f*** hard. Made their point. What the f*** ours were hoping for in there?! That they will f*** run away themselves? Hoped to f*** scare them away? Lots of people f*** so bad [they] can’t be f*** ID-d. There was no foot soldiers [on the American side]; they simply f*** our convoy with artillery.”
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Them Russians can sure swear... Kinda hung up on that "F" word.... ,

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I heard about it a few days ago...Trump and his administration were pointing it out when defending the claim they've done more against Russia than Obama had...
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I heard about it a few days ago...Trump and his administration were pointing it out when defending the claim they've done more against Russia than Obama had...
Now that's a funny joke.

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.

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Now that's a funny joke.

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/0...ient=firefox-b
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Mr. Tillerson spent seven months trying to decide whether to spend any of the money. The State Department finally sent a request to the Defense Department on Sept. 18 to transfer the funds, but with just days left in the fiscal year, Pentagon officials decided that the State Department had lost its shot at the money.

With another $60 million available for the next fiscal year, the two departments dickered for another five months over how much the State Department could have.
As shown by tour own link, this is department bickering...ZERO to do with Trump directing anyone to sit on the money...
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From your source...

As shown by tour own link, this is department bickering...ZERO to do with Trump directing anyone to sit on the money...
Yeah, let's just bicker around till after the elections. Not falling for it.

Just ask his own Intel Chiefs. Who report the very same lack of urgency.


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Contrast the striking difference between this battle and Benghazi. As shown in this battle Trump's reforms to the rules of engagement allowed the US military to engage attackers using the tools at their disposal. That is noticeably different from Benghazi where the besieged Americans were abandoned but the political spin machine was put into overdrive. Likewise the Trump administration cited the battle as an example of pushing back against the Russians whereas the Obama administration sought to blame a video for the failure of their intervention in Libya.
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I'm surprised nobody else has posted about this here yet:

American soldiers and Russian Mercenaries fought, it wasn't really a battle. It was a massacre. Russia was attempting to intimidate US forces into abandoning a position and were in turn summarily destroyed.

It's textbook Putin. Prod and see what you can get away with while also having some deniability. Don't escalate when you come up against resistance. Even if we all know it's a lie and since there were no American casualties we don't even have to officially respond.


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Go here for the audio and Video

https://www.polygraph.info/a/us-wagn.../29044339.html


At back on the 10th of Feb in post 630 one almost like this did happen which I made a post about.

Seems like Russia is pushing harder.. Yet for what?
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umm... Sorry can someone please explain to me.
WHY DO WE HAVE TROOPS IN SYRIA IN THE 1st PLACE!!???

Are we at war with Syria?
Are we at war with Russia?
Did Assad ASK us to come?
Did Congress approve ground forces to fight a war in Syria?
Did congress declare WAR on Syria ...or Russia?
The answer to ALL the above is NO.

It's all fun to RahRah about our guys killing some Russians... i guess... but what in the H3LL do we have soldiers on the ground in Syria for in the 1st place?

If you can't clearly and honestly answer the question then you shouldn't be celebrating.

I've got the feeling that no one here really cares.
As long as we Americans are Kickin' Asre round the world. Slogans like "keepin' us safe" and "freedom" are all that's needed to cover any military actions.
Constitution and good reasons or clear enemies be d@mned
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umm... Sorry can someone please explain to me.
WHY DO WE HAVE TROOPS IN SYRIA IN THE 1st PLACE!!???
To completely defeat the ISIS and Al Qaeda presence in the area. To provide a stabilizing force for the millions of refugees that have been displaced. To counter Russian and Iranian Influence, including the Iranian backed Hezbollah in the area. To destroy any chemical weapons that the Syrian regime has used against its own people.


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Are we at war with Syria?
No and we never technically were, the civil-war is over, Syria/Assad already won.


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Are we at war with Russia?
Yes. As far as I'm concerned we never stopped being at war with Russia.

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Did Assad ASK us to come?
When he used Chemical Weapons against his own people he did.

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Did Congress approve ground forces to fight a war in Syria?

Did congress declare WAR on Syria ...or Russia?

Blame the Republican Congress. Obama had tried for years to get congressional approval or for them to act to limit the use of force, but the GOP Congress refused to bring any of the legislation that he proposed to a vote. They refused to act, hoping to clobber him politically as weak and thin willed if he did nothing to fight terrorists, and then attacking him as a dictator when he decided to use military force anyways against the Islamic State unilaterally.

However, Obama didn't just use military force without first finding legal precedent for it. He essentially piggy backed off the resolutions following 9/11. So Yes and No.


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It's all fun to RahRah about our guys killing some Russians... i guess... but what in the H3LL do we have soldiers on the ground in Syria for in the 1st place?

If you can't clearly and honestly answer the question then you shouldn't be celebrating.
I don't see anyone celebrating?


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I care.

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As long as we Americans are Kickin' Asre round the world. Slogans like "keepin' us safe" and "freedom" are all that's needed to cover any military actions.
Constitution and good reasons or clear enemies be d@mned
You are extremely cynical regarding the role that American military forces play 'round the world. I happen to think that America has been an extremely positive force for good and freedom and peace around the world.
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