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For the record i just want to post a few facts that often get lost in the banter about how terrible and "like Hitler" Russia's so called expansionist policies are.
Especially when compared to where the Russia has come from and what NATO and US have become and done.

seems to me it could serve us as a reality check on some of the fear mongering about Russia.

1st of all there's the maps of what Russia -USSR and Warsaw pack- was compared to what it is now. And What NATO was and is now.




Just looking at these maps WHICH side are the "expansionist" and taking over countries?

at this point each of the NATO countries has missiles and or troops poised and pointed at Russia. Which side should be more concerned about an attack or expansion?

And against US Russia Agreements the U.S. has U.S. troops in Poland... didn't another leader just roll troops into Poland against international agreements who was that? But anyway our gov't says that it doesn't REALLY break the agreement becasue well the troops are "temporary" that is one set of "temporary troops come in and another set leaves so they are NOT permanent. And anyway WE HAVE to do it becasue of the TRIXES mean ol Putin. But somehow the Russia call U.S. troops in Poland a THREAT to their securty. HOW DARE THEY?! America is only and ALWAYS a good guy and we only shoot bad people so even if U.S. troops were stationing in MOSCOW Putin shouldn't complain i guess.

I mean we wouldn't complain if Putin put Russian troops and missiles in multiple South American countries or Greenland... right?


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the other thing about our concern of Russia that's kind of weird is if we compare our military and military spending to Russia's we have a slight advantage.

so is our DEEP concern really rational here?


so is our DEEP concern really rational here?

See various charts for Military comparison details here
USA vs Russia | Comparison military strength



so OK is Putin a good guy? No. He's a corrupt dictator, that limits his countries freedoms and rules by corruption and a bloody hand.
But i do think he does want Russia to be/remain a successful 1st world country overall.

And even IF Putin annexs one or 2 of the former soviets states or satellites would that reason for war from the U.S. pov? Do our soldiers need to die and money be spent to maintain some of the newly minted states. Some of which have gov't and leaders that are just as bad or worse than Russians?


But hey their more to said along these lines but I'd just like to to keep the REALITY of what what is ans was on the table when current events or politicians start Crying for blood over some word or act by Putin or the Russians.


more Russia US charts
http://geoawesomeness.com/top-14-map...-explain-nato/
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And even IF Putin annexs one or 2 of the former soviets states or satellites would that reason for war from the U.S. pov? Do our soldiers need to die and money be spent to maintain some of the newly minted states. Some of which have gov't and leaders that are just as bad or worse than Russians?
Chechnya and Ukraine
Putin doing war games at border of Poland
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