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U.S. And Western Europe Could Badly Lose In A War Against Russia Without China's Help

Newsweek, By Tom O'Connor On 11/28/17 at 6:54 PM

NATO may not be prepared to handle a military conflict against its foremost rival, Russia, without the assistance of another top competitor, China, according to a panel of leading experts and former officials.

Globsec, a Slovakia-based NGO affiliated with NATO, published its latest evaluation of the Western military alliance's responsibilities across Europe, where both NATO and Russia were engaged in a massive arms race the likes of which has not been seen since the Cold War. Led by retired Marine General John Allen, the panel urged U.S.-led NATO to "embark on a more far-reaching process of adaptation" in order to defend against what it called a "militarily advanced Russia."

Related: U.S. war with Russia and China more likely as world power shifts from West to East, NATO says.

Kind of like I have said already...
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The only things we would need China for is manufacturing capacity. On that we are short because we let them have ours. ...... because,,,; "Americans don't need those jobs. We need better (read that more technical), cleaner jobs."

This from Labour Secretary Robert Reich during those wonderful Clinton years.
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The only things we would need China for is manufacturing capacity. On that we are short because we let them have ours. ...... because,,,; "Americans don't need those jobs. We need better (read that more technical), cleaner jobs."

This from Labour Secretary Robert Reich during those wonderful Clinton years.
I guess you missed the fact this [ I]s about all NATO members, not just America...

Plus based on the record number of former plant workers not even looking for a jobs over time to me means we need about any employment.[U]

And I guess you have some data to what is the overall goal of China or Russia.[/I]
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I guess you missed the fact this [ I]s about all NATO members, not just America...

Plus based on the record number of former plant workers not even looking for a jobs over time to me means we need about any employment.[U]

And I guess you have some data to what is the overall goal of China or Russia.[/I]
No need to be snarky, I didn't miss anything. Europe (NATO) is in the same condition. IE dependent on far eastern MFG.

There's plenty of data on the intentions of Russia (To regain USSR conditions)
and China ( to expand their hegemony in the Far East and dominate the world's economy) Do your own research.

As for China's help in a war with Russia, they would be happy to sell us whatever our dollars would buy. But look at North Korea where they have done virtually nothing to help. If they won't put oil on those waters, what makes you think they would kick sand at the northern bear?
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I'm kinda counting on India to tip the balance were a war to happen.
But then, this story is from NewsWeak, kinda makes it irrelevant.
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No need to be snarky, I didn't miss anything. Europe (NATO) is in the same condition. IE dependent on far eastern MFG.

What same condition? NATO has weaken so much as other National situations come to the fore front.
Also sorry my intent wasn't to be snarky.



There's plenty of data on the intentions of Russia (To regain USSR conditions)
and China ( to expand their hegemony in the Far East and dominate the world's economy) Do your own research.

As for China's help in a war with Russia, they would be happy to sell us whatever our dollars would buy. But look at North Korea where they have done virtually nothing to help. If they won't put oil on those waters, what makes you think they would kick sand at the northern bear?
Hummm seems to me they have done quite a bit.. Yet when about 50 other countries ignore all of the sanctions why would they?][/I]

As for China kicking sand at Russia, well I never suggested that, did I? Once again the journalist wrote the article, not me.
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Hummm seems to me they have done quite a bit.. Yet when about 50 other countries ignore all of the sanctions why would they?][/I]

As for China kicking sand at Russia, well I never suggested that, did I? Once again the journalist wrote the article, not me.
Actually, you did. With some added snarkyness.
And I guess you have some data to what is the overall goal of China or Russia.[/I]
And once again you post something, make a point but, but don't stand behind it in following discussions saying, you didn't write the article.
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Man your a troll... I don't need your remarks ...
Hey, If my prickly remarks burst your tender bubbles, perhaps you shouldn't blow them.

Troll???? Hardly.
What isn't helpful would be your personal insults when challenged.
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Default Re: U.S. And Western Europe Could Badly Lose In A War Against Russia Without China's

extreme war game scenarios are a part of what military people do.
But it doesn't mean that it's likely to happen.

but sure without china as a manufacturing base ...and biz partner, with cash and several better connections to various resources world wide... we'd be in trouble.

But frankly it seems to me that Russia would be in the SAME BOAT, dependent on China for many military resources.
And China would be in the position of being able to decide who they wanted to win a war. or decide whether or not either will even HAVE one... or decide to help both destroy each other and they'd be left seated unscathed with pockets full of Dollars and Rubles as the world's most powerful country, now poised to help "restore" the once powerful nations of the U.S. and Russia.

making war with Russia with or without China is a bad idea for the U.S. no matter how it's played out seems to me.
making war with China is a bad Idea.
you know, maybe making war is GENERALLY a bad idea.
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