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Old 09-09-2017, 02:46 PM
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SPLC is extremely attackable.
Thanks Mikeyy! Your opinion is appreciated.


Now can you actually show how the numbers are wrong?
Or is whining about the source all you got on this?
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It is ironic that Trump believes that the Confederate battle flag should be removed and relegated to a museum but is inconsistent when he doesn't advocate removal of monuments to Confederates being removed from public places of honor and relegated to a museum.

Of course Trump doesn't have any personal values, lacks any knowledge of American history, and lives in a world of delusion that he makes up as he goes along so inconsistency doesn't come as a surprise. This is a man that condemned the KKK and Neo-Nazi White Supremacy but steadfastly so far has refused to condemn the (Neo-Nazi White Supremacist) "Alt Right" of Steve Bannon and other on his campaign and White House Staff and that confuses Antifa with the non-violent civil rights movement in America.
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The American Civil War was a White (WASP Male) Supremacist insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States. Every American that served the Confederate cause was a TRAITOR and every White Supremacist today is a Traitor and a Terrorist.
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You are so partisan. Can we agree the klan is a bad thing whether it was Democrat or Republican? The CSA rebelled, they tried to destroy our country. They lost. They don't get statues. Pretend what you want, but the statues were not built because of admiration of Johnny Reb, they were built to remind nonWhiteAngalosaxonProtestants their place in this country.
Again, your unsupported opinion doesn't carry weight compared to historical fact. You claimed racism and the Klan were the reason the Confederacy statues were not built until 50 years after the Civil War. Do you not remember writing "There can be no other explanation "?

Instead of repressing your error you double down implying that somehow pointing out the Klan was formed and populated by Democrats is "partisan" Of course the Klan is bad, that is why you fight so hard to bury their ties to the Democrat party.
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Again, your unsupported opinion doesn't carry weight compared to historical fact. You claimed racism and the Klan were the reason the Confederacy statues were not built until 50 years after the Civil War. Do you not remember writing "There can be no other explanation "?

Instead of repressing your error you double down implying that somehow pointing out the Klan was formed and populated by Democrats is "partisan" Of course the Klan is bad, that is why you fight so hard to bury their ties to the Democrat party.
how about this
it doesnt hurt to move them to a museum and it does hurt people who have to walk by them every day wondering if it's targeting minorities.
if it hurts our brothers and sisters just stow it
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Please refrain from White Supremacist propaganda that cites revisionist history.

Here's a more historically accurate explanation.

No states left the United States during the Confederate insurrection against the United States nor did they require readmission when the insurrection was suppressed. Because the "Confederate government" of these states was unlawful in violation of the Constitution, and was comprised of traitors, martial law was imposed and a military governor was assigned to each during reconstruction except for Tennessee where the sitting legislature ratified the 14th Amendment granting citizenship to blacks and other born in the United States.

The Confederate States of America was never a nation. It was merely a proclamation by the Confederate traitors that were in armed occupation of territory that belonged to the United States under the Constitution. Neither the United States government nor did any foreign government ever recognized the existence of the Confederate States of America as a nation. It was rebel held territory and nothing more.

All of those that committed acts of treason and other offenses against the Constitutional government of the United States, that President Lincoln offered Presidential pardons and immunity from prosecution to, had to acknowledge their crimes and pledge loyalty to the United States. Anyone accepting a Presidential pardon must first accept responsibility (guilt) and renounce the crime(s) that they're being pardoned for. Lincoln's pardons were no different than other Presidential pardons issued in the history of the United States (with the possible exception of Trump's pardon of Joe Arpaio where he acknowledges he was guilty of racist racial profiling if he accepts the pardon but has not renounced the crimes he committed - yet).

The rise of the KKK and the White Supremacist movement in the United States was most evident during the early 1920's under Republican Presidents Harding (1921-1923) and Coolidge (1923-1929). It was during this time period that Republican Rep. Albert Johnson (a blatant WASP male racist and head of 'The Eugenics Research Association' who's racist views were later mirrored by Adolf Hitler) was responsible for the Emergency Quota Act (aka the Johnson Quota Act), signed into law by Harding, that restricted immigration of Catholics from southern Europe and Jews from Eastern Europe based upon the 1910 census. By 1924 Albert Johnson had created an even more racist immigration law as the Immigration Act of 1924 (aka the Johnson-Reed Immigration Act) that was openly debated in Congress as a law necessary to retain WASP Male Supremacy in the United States by restricting "non-WASP" immigration. It even changed the basis used in the 1921 Act that used the 1910 census to using the 1890 census that ensured more "racism" in the restriction of immigration to the United States. The 1924 Immigration Act, that was exclusively about ensuring White Supremacy in the United States, was signed into law by Republican President Calvin Coolidge.

If the KKK had political allies during their most influential period in American politics is was the Republicans during the 1920's when the most racist White Supremacy laws were created by Republicans and enacted under Republican administrations.

Ironically we're seeing that again today. As a Senator in 2015 Jeff Sessions cited the 1924 White Supremacy Immigration Law as setting precedent for what needed to be done on immigration today.

During an October 2015 radio interview with (Alt-Right Neo-Nazi White Supremacy supporting) Stephen Bannon of Breitbart, now a top adviser to the president-elect, Sessions praised the 1924 law saying that:


Glowing praise for an immigration law created by a Republican, Rep Albert Johnson, that's been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist." A man that was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. And that in a 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."

Is it any wonder that the KKK formally endorsed Donald Trump considering the White Supremacy advocacy that existed in his campaign staff and that later assumed positions of power in his administration? Jeff Sessions has never been a member of the KKK but he certainly backs their Neo-Nazi White Supremacy ideology.
Is it any wonder you ginned up or copied some wildly off topic screed on immigration?

Here from the "White Supremacist" WaPo.

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Indeed, the 1924 Democratic convention was known as "the Klanbake," because the party by a razor-thin margin voted against an anti-Klan plank in its platform.

"If you were a member of the Democratic Party, a powerful member, you probably had some sort of affiliation to the KKK either publicly or privately," said Kendi. "Though there were also members of the Klan in the Republican Party, they had most of their power in the Democratic Party."

The original Ku Klux Klan had fallen by the wayside after reconstruction, only to see its fortunes revived with director D.W. Griffith's 1915 movie "The Birth of A Nation." President Woodrow Wilson screened the film twice for guests at the White House.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...tions-capital/

Any power the Klan had during the supposedly peak period of Confederate statue building was because of their connection to the Democrat party.
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