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foundit66 02-28-2017 10:51 PM

Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Weeks after a U.S. Navy SEAL was killed in a covert mission in Yemen, Trump has resisted accepting responsibility for authorizing the mission and the subsequent death of Senior Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens.

In an interview with Fox News that aired Tuesday morning, Trump said the mission “was started before I got here.”

He noted that the operation was something his generals “were looking at for a long time doing.”

“This was something that was, you know, just — they wanted to do,” Trump said. “ And they came to see me and they explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected.”

“And they lost Ryan,” Trump continued.

Owens is the first U.S. service member killed in the line of duty during Trump's administration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...3a425#comments

There are a lot of things that Trump just wasn't prepared for. And of course, he doesn't want to take responsibility for the things he WAS involved in, and DOES want to take responsibility for the things he deserves no credit for.

This action on Trump's part is pretty damn disgusting.

The father had some words on the situation...
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Now, Owens cringed at the thought of having to shake the hand of the president who approved the raid in Yemen that claimed his son’s life — an operation that he and others are now calling into question.

“I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens said Friday, speaking out for the first time in an interview with the Miami Herald.

Owens, also a military veteran, was troubled by Trump’s harsh treatment of a Gold Star family during his presidential campaign. Now Owens was a Gold Star parent, and he said he had deep reservations about the way the decision was made to launch what would be his son’s last mission.

Ryan and as many as 29 civilians were killed Jan. 28 in the anti-terrorism mission in Yemen. What was intended as a lightning raid to grab cellphones, laptops and other information about terrorists turned into a nearly hour-long firefight in which “everything went wrong,” according to U.S. military officials who spoke to the New York Times.

Bill Owens said he was assured that his son, who was shot, was killed early in the fight. It was the first military counter-terrorist operation approved by the new president, who signed the go-ahead Jan. 26 — six days into his term.

“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones — because there was not a target worth one American life. Now, all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?’’
Read more here: Father of SEAL killed in Yemen raid spurned meeting with Trump, wants answers | Miami Herald

waltky 03-02-2017 10:32 PM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
Obama initiated Yemen raid that killed Navy Seal yielded no significant intel...
:mad
Report: Senior officials say Yemen raid yielded no significant intel
Mar 1, 2017‎ - Multiple senior Pentagon officials told NBC News that the recent raid in Yemen, which killed a Navy SEAL, led to no valuable intelligence.
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The success of the raid has been publicly debated, and the White House has continued to defend the operation. Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens was killed during the raid. A major moment during President Trump's address before a joint session of Congress Tuesday night came as he spoke about the raid and acknowledged Owens and his widow Carryn, who was in the audience next to Ivanka Trump. Lawmakers applauded her for about two minutes. "I just spoke to [Defense Secretary James] Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, 'Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies,’” Trump said during the joint address on Tuesday.

But 10 senior officials briefed on the raid told NBC News that the mission provided no valuable intelligence. Vice President Pence reaffirmed the White House's defense of the raid on Wednesday, calling it a "highly successful operation against al Qaeda" in an appearance on MSNBC's "For the Record" with Greta Van Susteren. The officials say the information collected during the raid is not actionable and the U.S. intelligence community already knew most of the collected intel. While a Yemeni tribal leader, Sheikh Abdel-Raouf al-Dhahab, whom the U.S. considered to be a terrorist, died in the raid, officials say he was not a big target.

The Obama administration first considered the operation, but evaluated it as risky. They ultimately decided to leave the decision with the Trump administration. The decision for the raid has been highly criticized. It reportedly killed many civilians, including a number of children, and a $75 million U.S. military aircraft had to be destroyed to keep it from falling into enemy hands. "When you lose a $75 million airplane and, more importantly, an American life is lost and wounded, I don't believe you can call it a success,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Armed Services Committee, told NBC News.

Trump shot back at the senator on Twitter. And White House press secretary Sean Spicer later said that "anybody who undermines the success of that raid owes an apology and a disservice to the life of Chief Owens." Owens’s father questioned the rationale behind the order and has called for an investigation. The military is still reviewing what occurred during the raid as well as assessing the usefulness of the gathered intel.

Report: Senior officials say Yemen raid yielded no significant intel | TheHill

Mellon_Collie 03-03-2017 12:00 AM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Originally Posted by waltky (Post 875466)
Obama initiated Yemen raid that killed Navy Seal yielded no significant intel...]

Who's ass did you pull that out of? Obama did not initiate the raid, for that matter none of Obama's officials would sign off on it.


foundit66 03-03-2017 05:09 PM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie (Post 875479)
Who's ass did you pull that out of? Obama did not initiate the raid, for that matter none of Obama's officials would sign off on it.

With too many of these threads, I think some responses boil down to a menial, half-assed lie that is only meant to give cover to people who don't want to know the facts.

Trump approved the raid.
But they want to blame Obama because the results were bad.
If the results had been great, they would have crowed and given Trump credit. They would have said Obama didn't have the guts to do it and Trump pulled it off.

:rolls


To me, the real thing out of this is not that somebody died. It's not that there wasn't good intel.
It's a failure of Trump to simply man up and take ownership for a decision HE made. And of course, there are many on the right who are willing to go along with that weakness... :-(

AZRWinger 03-04-2017 11:12 AM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Originally Posted by foundit66 (Post 875613)
With too many of these threads, I think some responses boil down to a menial, half-assed lie that is only meant to give cover to people who don't want to know the facts.

Trump approved the raid.
But they want to blame Obama because the results were bad.
If the results had been great, they would have crowed and given Trump credit. They would have said Obama didn't have the guts to do it and Trump pulled it off.

:rolls


To me, the real thing out of this is not that somebody died. It's not that there wasn't good intel.
It's a failure of Trump to simply man up and take ownership for a decision HE made. And of course, there are many on the right who are willing to go along with that weakness... :-(

Kindly point us to a quote where Trump refused to take responsibility for the decision to launch the raid. The "failed to acknowledge" is typical editorializing by the anti Trump WaPo. :thumbsup

Trump met the body of the fallen hero as it was being repatriated without turning it into a campaign spectacle like Obama and Hillary did when the dead from Benghazi were returned. He honored the widow at his Congressional address. But nothing will satisfy the never Trump hate mongers, they insist on their spin no matter the accuracy.:thumbsup

mlurp 03-04-2017 05:04 PM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie (Post 875479)
Who's ass did you pull that out of? Obama did not initiate the raid, for that matter none of Obama's officials would sign off on it.

Man have you got this wrong and it takes away from the actual first news being right. :sad

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Originally Posted by foundit66 (Post 875613)
With too many of these threads, I think some responses boil down to a menial, half-assed lie that is only meant to give cover to people who don't want to know the facts.

As your doing right now.

Trump approved the raid.
But they want to blame Obama because the results were bad.
If the results had been great, they would have crowed and given Trump credit. They would have said Obama didn't have the guts to do it and Trump pulled it off.

:rolls


To me, the real thing out of this is not that somebody died. It's not that there wasn't good intel.
It's a failure of Trump to simply man up and take ownership for a decision HE made. And of course, there are many on the right who are willing to go along with that weakness... :-(

This raid was thought up during Obama's last days in the W.H. from all the news I have heard.

Yet Trump did approve the raid to go operational. And sadly he wishes to pass the blame on to others.
To bad someone never nail the "The Buck Stops Here" sign to the presidents desk.

Now this was the last thing I had heard relating to this raid and I say this because so much media attention has been applied to this bite of news.

Mikeyy 03-04-2017 11:51 PM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
Trump is a cowardly pig

mlurp 03-05-2017 01:05 AM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
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Originally Posted by Mikeyy (Post 875821)
Trump is a cowardly pig

Mikeyy your :drool ing like a wild animal.... Again it is very simple it is Trump's EGO!
Can't you understand this. You have one to and it won't allow him to be wrong in any way..

Man it takes you at times a while to admit your wrong, right :lol

HawkeyeJ 03-14-2017 07:35 AM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
Obama rejected the plan because he had it thoroughly evaluated. Trump wanted to prove he was tougher than Obama and claim Obama was weak that is why he approved it without evauluating. This man is a disaster.

Senior 03-14-2017 08:36 AM

Re: Trump passes blame for Yemen raid to his generals: ‘They lost Ryan’
 
Even though the US didn't have any boots on the ground in Yemen for over two years, Trump approved the mission and then he didn't even bother to go to the Situation Room to follow the SEAL mission in real-time and learn some things.

But this is the Trump who boasted he knew more than all the Generals and would defeat ISIS in 30 days. What a pos.


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