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History, Geography, & Military Discuss Decision Time: Half of US F-15s Need Overhauls — Or Retirement at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by ShivaTD Money is being spent on advanced drones and standoff weapons systems. The advantages of a piloted ...

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Old 01-13-2017, 04:27 PM
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Money is being spent on advanced drones and standoff weapons systems.

The advantages of a piloted aircraft revolve around the unique characteristics of the pilot that has perceptions that cannot be transmitted to a remote operator. Remotely piloted aircraft have an advantage in maneuverability because the don't have the human G-load limitation but other than that one disadvantate, that can be compensated for, the human pilot is always able to outperform the drone that is controlled remotely or by computer.

Today's advanced fighter aircraft are about more than just very expensive. Their mission capability is much greater as is their survivability due to stealth technology. A single F-35 has the same offensive mission capability of six or more F-15's and unlike the F-15 it can't be detected on radar or by infrared sensors. It can operate undetected using stand-off air-air weapons systems to target multiple targets literally at the same time. It is an absolutely amazing weapon platform.

Our biggest mistake, IMHO, was the diversion of funding for the B-2 to build 100 B-1B's that are really an albatross that barely improved on the B-52's and lacked the stealth technology of the B-2. Instead of 100 B-1B's and 22 B-2's we could have had over 100 B-2's for the same cost. The ignorant ending of the B-2 program by Congress, just when the price dropped down to less than $500 million per aircraft (and was going to go down further) and after the initial high non-recurring investments for production were complete as well as high costs of the test program for the first seven aircraft ended, is coming back to bite us in the ass because now we need to design and build the next generation to replace the B-2 because we never had enough to retire the B-52's and the B-1B's that just aren't up to the standards for a strategic bomber these days.

As note though the F-35 is the most exceptional fighter I've ever worked on and it's only drawback is that we're selling to other countries. Logically we need an aircraft that is exclusively ours that's just a little better than the F-35 to stay ahead of the game. it's going to cost more but if we want to be the best there is then that's the price we need to pay.
Excuse me but the B1 Lancer is a super sonic heavy bomber, I think the only one of it's type in the world. It is nothing like the B-52 except that it carries a heavy bomb payload.
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Let me guess they stole the plans from the USA right?

Not a good way to run your rail road. Stealing from another country is wrong.

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I can't say for sure. But let me ask you this, what does it matter since we are discussing what can be placed in front of our A.F. to stop them... If we were facing our onw in complete as are ours I would think the winner would be whom had the better pilots.

yet from what I can see they are not quite the same..
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Let me guess they stole the plans from the USA right?

Not a good way to run your rail road. Stealing from another country is wrong.

Regards, Kirk
I forgot to add it might be a better way to run your R.R, as it avoids the basic research costs which can be very high and cause of agreements with certain people in the Military and Govt. might require a few cost over runs in the deployment stage.

Which is stealing from the tax payers to pay for what the Military wants.. You do recall Ike's warning, "Beware the Military Industrial Complex," don't you?

Also the question first put to you below..


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I can't say for sure. But let me ask you this, what does it matter since we are discussing what can be placed in front of our A.F. to stop them...

If we were facing our own in complete as are ours are, I would think the winner would be whom had the better pilots.

yet from what I can see they are not quite the same..
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The US has not lost a plane to air to air combat since Vietnam, Do you think that is because the US stood still developing and deploying advanced technology fighter aircraft?
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January 17 1991– An F/A-18C Hornet (Bureau Number : 163484) was shot down by an Iraqi Mig-25 in an air-to-air engagement. The pilot (Lieutenant Commander Michael Scott Speicher) of VFA-81 was killed but his body was not found until July 2009.
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I think he was the only one shot down in a dog fight, the other 20 planes or so were shot down by SAM's and AAA.
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This should be a standard practice of each of us
..... IMHO and it would seem Mellon_Collie.........

If nothing else it is a darn good idea to use a search engine every now and again.
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Excuse me but the B1 Lancer is a super sonic heavy bomber, I think the only one of it's type in the world. It is nothing like the B-52 except that it carries a heavy bomb payload.
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Tupolev Tu-160 NATO reporting name: Blackjack is a supersonic, variable-sweep wing heavy strategic bomber designed by the Tupolev Design Bureau in the Soviet Union. It is the largest and heaviest Mach 2+ supersonic aircraft ever built and second only to the comparable XB-70 Valkyrie in overall length. It is the largest and heaviest combat aircraft, the fastest bomber now in use, and the largest and heaviest variable-sweep wing airplane ever flown.
Specifications (Tu-160)
Two internal bays for 88,185 lb (40,000 kg) of ordnance
Range 7,643 mi
Inventory active force, 11


Specifications (B-1B)
Three internal bomb bays for 75,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of ordnance.
Range 5,900 mi
Inventory active force, 62

Specifications (B-52H)
Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) of ordnance.
Range 10,145 mi
Inventory active force, 58
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