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The Marine Corps’ new training regime, meant to emphasize gender-neutral standards for combat jobs, has weeded out 40 male recruits and all but one female recruit since the standards were put in place at the beginning of the year, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

Of the roughly 1,500 recruits vying for combat jobs between Jan. 1 and May 20, only seven of them were women. The six women and 40 men who failed were reassigned to noncombat jobs, according to the documents.

The documents, first reported by the Associated Press, outline the Marine Corps’ attempt to implement new standards meant to establish a physical foundation for Marines, both men and women, trying to get into physically demanding jobs known as combat arms.

At the beginning of the year, Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter ordered that all previously closed jobs such as infantryman, artilleryman and tank crewman be opened to the entire military. In response, the Marine Corps set out to adjust some of its older standards to ensure that those applying for physically demanding combat jobs would be tested differently, even before their first day at Marine Corps boot camp.

According to the documents, the Corps set out a road map with two distinct routes: gender-neutral and gender-normed.

Gender-normed applies to all Marines going into jobs not considered combat arms, and that route consists of the same standards that the Marines have used for some time. This equates to one initial physical test with gender-based minimums for men and women (think 1.5 mile run in 13 minutes 30 seconds for men and 15 minutes for women) before they go to boot camp, and gender-based physical fitness tests once they graduate from boot camp and are in the Corps.

The gender-neutral track, however, is just that, and is designed for men and women who wish to go into combat jobs. Failing a gender-neutral evaluation prior to boot camp, in boot camp or at the specific job training school means that the candidate is “reclassed” into a different, noncombat specialty.

According to the documents, the old, one-size-fits-all approach to certifying Marines for ground combat jobs was “too low,” in that candidates needed to “simply pass” with minimum scores to get into physically demanding jobs.

“Higher fitness was more predictive of success in [job training] and in the operating forces,” the documents say.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...men/?tid=sm_tw

I like how they laid out the discussion and showed the physical requirements are actually relevant to the job application.
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Only 7 women applied and only 1 was able to pass the physical fitness standards therefore by Progressive thinking the standards must be lowered to affirmatively recruit women so the Marines "look like America". If universities are allowed to discriminate based on race and gender or whatever else they wish to achieve the imagined benefits of "diversity" then the Marines are no different.
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I think we need to get back to World War II standards of toughness. To Hell with Obama's social experimentation with the Armed Forces.
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I think we need to get back to World War II standards of toughness. To Hell with Obama's social experimentation with the Armed Forces.
Is this article an example of "Obama's social experimentation with the Armed Forces"?


Out of curiosity, what policy did Obama specifically institute that you're talking about?
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Is this article an example of "Obama's social experimentation with the Armed Forces"?


Out of curiosity, what policy did Obama specifically institute that you're talking about?
Again, I don't think I will discuss this topic with you. No disrespect is intended.


My opinion, and I'm welcome to it.
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Again, I don't think I will discuss this topic with you. No disrespect is intended.
My opinion, and I'm welcome to it.
Yes.
Uninformed opinions that have no basis in reality often abound...
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In all fairness, you do deserve this:

Obama has been the commander-in-chief during this time of downgrading of the Armed Forces.

That is all. Make of it what you want. Or don't.
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In all fairness, you do deserve this:

Obama has been the commander-in-chief during this time of downgrading of the Armed Forces.

That is all. Make of it what you want. Or don't.
What downgrading? And please be specific.
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What downgrading? And please be specific.
That's like asking me what sunset?. I will not humor your question either.
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That's like asking me what sunset?. I will not humor your question either.
Well okay, so did he cut the military like Dick Cheney did?
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