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You guys are so quick to buy this story. You are quick to assume some conspiracy by Obama. Do you have ANY REAL PROOF BY A REAL SERIOUS SOURCE?

I think this another one of those half true stories with a understandable answer and you all jump on the band wagon as usual. You show me real proof from an honest source.

What fu*king tools you people are.
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You guys are so quick to buy this story. You are quick to assume some conspiracy by Obama. Do you have ANY REAL PROOF BY A REAL SERIOUS SOURCE?

I think this another one of those half true stories with a understandable answer and you all jump on the band wagon as usual. You show me real proof from an honest source.

What fu*king tools you people are.
And what a gullible fool YOU are.

But you will believe anything some anonymous dumb ass says about Scott Walker or Chris Christie or whoever.

Who is the tool again?
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I think it would be preferable to actually go to the source, and not through the far-right, anti-Obama tinted lenses of Allen West.

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Employees of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) destroyed veterans’ medical files in a systematic attempt to eliminate backlogged veteran medical exam requests, a former VA employee told The Daily Caller.

Audio of an internal VA meeting obtained by TheDC confirms that VA officials in Los Angeles intentionally canceled backlogged patient exam requests.

“The committee was called System Redesign and the purpose of the meeting was to figure out ways to correct the department’s efficiency. And one of the issues at the time was the backlog,” Oliver Mitchell, a Marine veteran and former patient services assistant in the VA Greater Los Angeles Medical Center, told TheDC.

“We just didn’t have the resources to conduct all of those exams. Basically we would get about 3,000 requests a month for [medical] exams, but in a 30-day period we only had the resources to do about 800. That rolls over to the next month and creates a backlog,” Mitchell said. ”It’s a numbers thing. The waiting list counts against the hospitals efficiency. The longer the veteran waits for an exam that counts against the hospital as far as productivity is concerned.”

By 2008, some patients were “waiting six to nine months for an exam” and VA “didn’t know how to address the issue,” Mitchell said.

VA Greater Los Angeles Radiology department chief Dr. Suzie El-Saden initiated an “ongoing discussion in the department” to cancel exam requests and destroy veterans’ medical files so that no record of the exam requests would exist, thus reducing the backlog, Mitchell said.

Audio from a November 2008 meeting obtained by TheDC depicts VA Greater Los Angeles officials plotting to cancel backlogged exam requests.

“I’m still canceling orders from 2001,” said a male official in the meeting.

“Anything over a year old should be canceled,” replied a female official.

“Canceled or scheduled?” asked the male official.

“Canceled. … Your backlog should start at April ’07,” the female official replied, later adding, ”a lot of those patients either had their studies somewhere else, had their surgery … died, don’t live in the state. … It’s ridiculous.

El-Saden, according to Mitchell, was “the person who said destroy the records.” And her plan was actually carried out during the Obama administration’s management of VA.

“That actually happened,” Mitchell said. “We had that discussion in November 2008 and then in March 2009 they started to delete the exams. Once you cancel or delete an order it automatically cancels out that record” so that no record of the exam requests remained.

Mitchell tried to blow the whistle on the scheme and ended up being transferred out of his department and eventually losing his job.

“I actually filed a complaint with the VA [Inspector General] IG and the office of special counsel. The IG requested if I had any documentation. They wanted names. I gave them [about] a thousand names,” Mitchell said. ”The list I turned into the IG went all the way back to 1997.”

“I filed the initial complaint with the IG. … The IG instead of doing their own investigation just gave it to the facility and made them aware of my complaint.”

Mitchell eventually wrote to Congress about the issue in January 2011. Two months later, in March 2011, he was fired.

Mitchell received an April 30, 2013 letter from the U.S. Office of Special Counsel stating that OIG found in November 2009 that “all imaging services across the country were instructed to mass purge all outstanding imaging orders for studies older than six months, where the procedure was no longer needed” and that “patient imaging requests found to still be valid were scheduled. … Approval was granted for this process by the MEC [Medical Executive Committee], and in collaboration with the Service Chiefs and/or Careline Directors within the health-care system.”

But Mitchell said that in Los Angeles, exam requests that were found to still be needed were “definitely” destroyed.

“The IG’s report said this was a nationwide issue, but I know when we were having our meeting we weren’t talking nationwide — we were talking about our department,” Mitchell said.

“It is the general policy of OSC not to transmit an allegation of wrongdoing to the head of the agency involved, where the agency’s OIG or its delegate, is currently investigating or has investigated, the same allegations. Consequently, this office will take no further action concerning this allegation,” according to the U.S. Office of Special Counsel letter.

“That was an excuse” and part of a “cover-up,” Mitchell said.

“I’ve actually filed a lawsuit against them” for wrongful termination and another complaint, Mitchell said. “I filed it in district court in August of last year. It was accepted in September. The court dismissed it and wants me to amend the complaint with additional facts. I’m turning that in this week.”


VA did not return repeated requests for comment. The VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System did not return a request for comment and for an interview with Dr. El-Saden.


Read more: VA destroyed veteran medical records to delete exam requests | The Daily Caller
Sounds to me like the VA was cancelling records of patients whose needs had already had been met or, had moved out of state, or had died, in order to reduce the already overwhelming backlog that has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime, especially now with all of these veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

IMO it looks like a disgruntled former employee lashing out against the VA, but we'll see where this goes.
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Oh bullsh*t they still have my spouse's record of hospitalization from the 60's. . Lies.
Read or listen to the info salty. It is from of late. Heck I have a copy of my entire Military Records and have had it sense 1985.

This is about the early 2002 to 2007.
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You guys are so quick to buy this story. You are quick to assume some conspiracy by Obama. Do you have ANY REAL PROOF BY A REAL SERIOUS SOURCE?

I think this another one of those half true stories with a understandable answer and you all jump on the band wagon as usual. You show me real proof from an honest source.

What fu*king tools you people are.
Your the F_____en fool Mikeyy. On the first page redd has it on tape fool and WW has it above.. Your also a Progressive and they lie like s__t stinks.
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You guys are so quick to buy this story. You are quick to assume some conspiracy by Obama. Do you have ANY REAL PROOF BY A REAL SERIOUS SOURCE?

I think this another one of those half true stories with a understandable answer and you all jump on the band wagon as usual. You show me real proof from an honest source.

What fu*king tools you people are.
Sure seems like it to me fool. Why not read & listen before you jump in with no way and the usual ObamaBot crap.
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Congress needs to approve more VA medical facility leases...

Lawmakers Attempt Action on 24 VA Facilities in Limbo
Feb 11, 2017 | The VA must receive congressional approval to lease medical facilities with annual rent payments totaling more than $1 million
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A handful of lawmakers are again making attempts to open 24 new Department of Veterans Affairs facilities across the country, some of which have been held up by Congress for two years. The VA must receive congressional approval to lease medical facilities with annual rent payments totaling more than $1 million, according to federal law. Combined, the 24 facilities -- most of them outpatient clinics -- would cost about $228 million during the lease periods, which in some cases can last 20 years. Congress has not approved a medical facility lease for the VA since 2014, said the office of Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va. Warner and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, reintroduced legislation that would give the VA the go-ahead to open the clinics. Rep. Julia Brownley, D-Calif., reintroduced a similar measure in the House.

One of the pending leases is for a new outpatient clinic in Hampton Roads, Va., totaling more than $18 million. In 2014, veterans at the Hampton VA Medical Center suffered the longest average wait times in the country for primary care, the Hampton Roads Daily Press reported. The wait times resulted from an increase in the number of patients, along with space and staff shortages. Warner, who represents Virginia in the Senate, said health care providers at the hospital need the clinic to better manage their workload. "Veterans deserve convenient access to the high-quality health care they have earned through their service," Collins said in a written statement. "These facilities... will allow veterans to receive outpatient care without the stress and difficulty of traveling to larger VA medical centers, which may be located far away from their homes."


One of the pending leases is an expanded outpatient clinic for Collins' constituency in Portland, Maine, totaling about $6.9 million. A $6.3 million clinic is planned for Oxnard, California, in Brownley's district. The facilities span 12 other states. Last May, 15 senators wrote to Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., -- chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee -- and Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., the top Democrat on the committee, asking that they act to approve the 18 leases pending at the time.

The VA has also been struggling to work with Congress to gain the approvals. James Sullivan, director of the VA's Office of Asset Enterprise Management, told a House committee in September that many of the VA's 10- to 15-year leases are coming to an end. Without authorization for the new leases, some facilities might be forced to close and new ones might not open immediately, he said. "Without authorization from Congress, VA cannot begin work to secure needed leased space to meet the needs of veterans seeking VA health care," Sullivan testified. "Failure to receive authorization will have a growing and worsening effect on veteran access to care nationwide."

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This will warrant no investigation either from congress because obama is above the law, and besides it's only veterans so who give a crap.
So your answer is not to have a veterans health program at all? A big do-over? Privatize?
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Read or listen to the info salty. It is from of late. Heck I have a copy of my entire Military Records and have had it sense 1985.

This is about the early 2002 to 2007.
same thing as the fire ; a ploy to not give benefits. and many in congress are prolly aware or suspect these were on purpose
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