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26 January 2014

The Pentagon is considering replacing thousands of troops with robots, a military commander said recently, marking the first time a DOD official has publicly acknowledged that humans would be replaced with robots on the battlefield.

Gen. Robert Cone, head of the Army Training and Doctrine Command, made the comment at the Army Aviation symposium on Jan. 15, according to a report in Defense News, a trade publication covering the military. He said that robots would allow for “a smaller, more lethal, deployable and agile force.”

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“I’ve got clear guidance to think about what if you could robotically perform some of the tasks in terms of maneuverability, in terms of the future of the force,” Cone said.

DOD did not respond to a request for comment on Cone’s remarks.



Cone also said that one-quarter of a 4,000 troop Brigade Combat Team could be replaced by robots or drones. His announcement comes as the entire Pentagon is shrinking, including troop reductions. DOD officials have said that the size of the force would shrink from 540,000 to 450,000 by 2020.

The Pentagon and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) have been aggressively pursuing robot technology. DOD has already invested billions of dollars with companies like Boston Dynamics, now owned by Google, to develop the technology.

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So far, the company has developed the AlphaDog robot, designed to haul heavy military equipment for soldiers. Last year alone, DOD spent $7 million on the Avatar Program, which is attempting to find a way to upload a soldier’s consciousness to a robot. It also spent $11 million on a program that is developing robots that act autonomously.

These robots, combined with the already widespread use of drones and robots to detect bombs, are prompting fears that the human element would be removed from combat. Human Rights Watch and the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, an international coalition concerned that robots could replace humans, have launched preemptive campaigns to ban their use.

If more advanced robots are used in battle, it would be years down the line. Lt. Gen. Keith Walker told Defense News that widespread use of robots could not occur until the “deep future” - sometime between 2030 and 2040.

“We’ll need to fundamentally change the nature of the force, and that would require a breakthrough in science and technology,” he said.

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That is scary to think about. Right now I think many leaders stop short of going to war because of the human toll it takes. Replacing soldiers with robots reduces that toll considerably.

It reminds me of a line in the movie Patton where he talks about push button warfare and he states that he is glad he will never see it.
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I think that there are a lot of applications where simple robots could be utilized. Think about a situation where you have a hardened gun emplacement that you can't reach easily or safely. You can call in an airstrike and spend a couple hundred thousand knocking it out or you could send in an upgraded RC car with a nasty little package for the enemy at a cost of a couple thousand. Replacing "boots on the ground" with robots is a questionable concept, but supplementing them robots is a great idea. We're already seeing some applications, but I think that we need to be utilizing more and simpler applications such as some of the drones that are being used.
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if two enemies send robots to fight will that show how senseless war really is?
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A robot is no match for a human in combat. My opinion, so no whining will be allowed.
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if two enemies send robots to fight will that show how senseless war really is?
Why do you think that war is senseless? It generally has well defined goals, and the human resources it consumes are easy to replace. It might be evil, but hardly senseless.
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A robot is no match for a human in combat. My opinion, so no whining will be allowed.
That sort of reminds me of when some people said that the cavalry would never be replaced.

In WWI there was a general, French I think, who relied on couriers and refused to use telephones because he claimed not to "understand the principle."
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if two enemies send robots to fight will that show how senseless war really is?
"Senseless??" Seriously, salty, you aren't that dumb. When you go to war stop a greater evil, is that senseless?? When you got war to prevent one nation from enslaving another, is that senseless?? I know that you think that any time anyone does something, the solution is give everyone a big hug and then everything will be alright, but those of us who live in the real world understand that there are bad people in the world and those bad people quite often want power. You aren't going to stop them by being nice, you stop them by killing them. They don't care about nice, they don't care cooperation, they care about power and how to get it. They have to be stopped by force, since they don't care about diplomacy.
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I guess a few here have never read Sun Tuz sense Iraq we have failed to follow his lead.
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Why do you think that war is senseless? It generally has well defined goals, and the human resources it consumes are easy to replace. It might be evil, but hardly senseless.
war is senseless to an enlightened world.
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