Long after death, Confederate spy honored in Ark.

Oftencold · #1 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 01:56 AM

http://www.heraldstandard.com/united...ad554ae89.html
October 15, 2012

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The story of David O. Dodd is relatively unknown outside of Arkansas, but the teenage spy who chose to hang rather than betray the Confederate cause is a folk hero to many in his home state.

Street signs and an elementary school in the state capital have long borne Dodd's name, and admirers gather at his grave each year to pay tribute to Dodd's life and death.

As usual when discussing most things about the War of Northern Aggression, uninformed people think of it in historically inaccurate and even mythical ways.

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A state commission's decision, though, to grant approval for yet another tribute to Dodd has revived an age-old question: Should states still look for ways to commemorate historical figures who fought to defend unjust institutions?

In all probability he was not fighting "to defend unjust institutions." He would have been fighting in an illegal and immoral war of conquest and tyranny on the side of the Defenders for his country, Arkansas, for the Confederacy to which it belonged, for his family and friends.

The Union troops who hanged him were fighting for spoils, to subjugate the States which had freely left the Union, as the Union had freely left the British Empire less than a century earlier, and because they didn't know any better. I suppose some were even foolish enough to believe that Slavery had been abolished in the North, that they were fighting to abolish it in the South, or that the Northern leaders by and large did not see Blacks as inherently inferior creatures.

At any rate, it is certainly good to see actual history and heroism honored.

lurch907 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 10:59 AM

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War of Northern Aggression

All my favorite conspiracy theories contain these words.

mlurp · #3 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 02:16 PM

I saw this show last night on Dixie and about every one on the show spoke of the civil war like the north started it.

Yes Dixie gave the county a lot. But they should just let the civil war go and do what they have done sense then, get on with life and accept the truth they started it and lost it.

MrLiberty · #4 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

I saw this show last night on Dixie and about every one on the show spoke of the civil war like the north started it.

Yes Dixie gave the county a lot. But they should just let the civil war go and do what they have done sense then, get on with life and accept the truth they started it and lost it.

Unfortunately lurpy it was the North that started the war. The south did cede legally from the Union, and Lincoln had to violate the Constitution in order to go to war and force upon the south the misery of a war not of their making.

LINCOLN STARTED THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION TO PROTECT HIS OWN POLITICAL CAREER

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If you read Lincoln's first inaugural-address with any care at all, you'll see that it was simply a declaration of war against the South. It was also filled with lies and specious reasoning. In 1861, the official government-charter for the U.S. was the U.S. Constitution. In writing it, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 (some of the most-canny politicians in the country) had pointedly omitted from it the "perpetual union" clause which had been a main feature of the unworkable Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union--the U.S.-government charter which had preceded the Constitution.

Under the Articles, no state could secede lawfully unless all states seceded simultaneously. But the Constitution--which Lincoln had just taken an oath to uphold--did not contain that clause (or any other like it); so any state could secede lawfully at any time. And the Southern states did secede lawfully. Honest Abe flat-out lied when he said that was not so in his inaugural address; and he subsequently used his blatant lie to slaughter 623,000 Americans and Confederates--primarily in order to perpetuate himself in political office.

Lincoln had said he would go to war to "preserve the Union." But in order to start the war, he would somehow have to maneuver the South into firing the first shots, because Congress did not want war and would not declare war of its own volition.

mlurp · #5 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 02:32 PM

I don't buy it as history shows whom fired the first shots of the civil war. Check it out and pick any one of the reports/news.

Lincoln from what I know didn't want a civil war, thats why he took on a Southern as a VP.

Who fired the fist shots of the civil war? - Yahoo! Search Results

MrLiberty · #6 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

I don't buy it as history shows whom fired the first shots of the civil war. Check it out and pick any one of the reports/news.

Who fired the fist shots of the civil war? - Yahoo! Search Results

I know you like the truth as much as anyone, so here read these books...

John S. Tilley's "Lincoln Takes Command," and Ludwell Johnson's "North Against South/An American Iliad."

mlurp · #7 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLiberty

I know you like the truth as much as anyone, so here read these books...

John S. Tilley's "Lincoln Takes Command," and Ludwell Johnson's "North Against South/An American Iliad."

Only if you and others read several of the links I posted.

My point is once one state left the union Ft. Sumpter was fired on. So how do you gage who started a war? I go by who fired the first shots.

MrLiberty · #8 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

Only if you and others read several of the links I posted.

My point is once one state left the union Ft. Sumpter was fired on. So how do you gage who started a war? I go by who fired the first shots.

Who forced the hand of Southerns?

I'll read the link.

saltwn · #9 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 05:17 PM

Traitor to his country, a spy. I'm glad they hanged him.

Oftencold · #10 (**permalink**) 10-15-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lurch907

All my favorite conspiracy theories contain these words.

It has to do with a more objective and informed understanding of history.

It wasn't a civil war (the Congress, required conditions for readmission for the Southern States, if they'd left the Union, they represented a new country, so it was a war between two countries.)

We could call it the "War Between the States," but that tends to let the Union escape responsibility for its murderous adventure.

So, I quite correctly call it what it was.

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