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I saw this show last night on Dixie and about every one on the show spoke of the civil war like the north started it.

Yes Dixie gave the county a lot. But they should just let the civil war go and do what they have done sense then, get on with life and accept the truth they started it and lost it.
You mean by resupplying a coastal fort in South Carolinian's territorial waters the only purpose of which would be to fire barrages on the mainland?

Lincoln goaded, and stupidly, the South fired on Fort Sumpter, killing no one. The North responded with unconscionable, fratricidal murder.

To assuage their tender consciences afterward, the Union created the Myth of Lincoln as the anti-slavery crusader, and the WoNA as a a war to liberate the slaves. Nonsense.

It was a war to prevent Federal power from being diminished.
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Your side lost, give it up.
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Your side lost, give it up.
Again, you are confused. "My side" won. I am a native-born son of the United States, not the Confederate States.

But as a loyal son must face the reality that his generally virtuous Father long ago committed a serious crime if he is to truly appreciate his sire, I must acknowledge the atrocious nature of the War of Northern Aggression.

You see?
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Again, you are confused. "My side" won. I am a native-born son of the United States, not the Confederate States.

But as a loyal son who knows that his generally virtuous Father long ago committed a serious crime must face reality if he is to truly appreciate his sire, I must acknowledge the atrocious nature of the War of Northern Aggression.

You see?
There is no such thing as "northern aggression" except in the timid minds of bigots.
I hope you stop and think who you are siding with here.
I know you are not from the south. But you side with the mindless dixie flag wavin stink that sometimes pops its ugly head up at a Georgia BBQ.
I on the other hand was born in the south and feel part of the United States. Yes it was a war of states rights. And God put his lucky hand to it and freed slaves in the mean time. Then a hundred years later they freed themselves completely by gaining the vote actually.
Whatever the original motivations, it was a Civil war in our country that cost too many surnames to disappear from our midst.
May it never be repeated on any scale on this continent.
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There is no such thing as "northern aggression" except in the timid minds of bigots.
I hope you stop and think who you are siding with here.
I know you are not from the south. But you side with the mindless dixie flag wavin stink that sometimes pops its ugly head up at a Georgia BBQ.
I on the other hand was born in the south and feel part of the United States. Yes it was a war of states rights. And God put his lucky hand to it and freed slaves in the mean time. Then a hundred years later they freed themselves completely by gaining the vote actually.
Whatever the original motivations, it was a Civil war in our country that cost too many surnames to disappear from our midst.
May it never be repeated on any scale on this continent.
OK, stop, you're showing profound historical ignorance as well as ignoring the points I just brought up.

The War wasn't an expression of aggression? (As though any war is!) You might want to explain how it led to the deaths of 800,000 people?

Why do you think they sent an army and a navy if their intentions were peaceful? Secession was done with pen and ink. It might have been remedied the same way. But the North preferred bullets to pens, and blood to ink.

If that's not aggression, what is exactly?

Nobody made the North march on the South -- they chose to do it: to kill, maim, burn, and drown the people who'd been their countrymen and neighbors a few days before. Get it? Is it clear now? The Union sent armies to destroy the South while slavery was still legal and practiced in the North.

They didn't do it for high minded principles, they didn't outlaw their own slavery until near the end of the War. They did it as an exercise of power. Plain. Simple.
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OK, stop, you're showing profound historical ignorance as well as ignoring the points I just brought up.

The War wasn't an expression of aggression? (As though any war is!) You might want to explain how it led to the deaths of 800,000 people?

Why do you think they sent an army and a navy if their intentions were peaceful? Secession was done with pen and ink. It might have been remedied the same way. But they preferred bullets and cannonballs.
If not for Sumter it might have done
If that's not aggression, what is exactly?
I balk at the loudly and often droolingly slurred ephemism that drops still from the lips of people who probably are descended from Yankees as they cherish the golden hey days of king cotton
Nobody made the North march on the South they chose to do it, to kill, maim, burn, and drown the people who'd been their countrymen and neighbors a few days before. Get it? Is it clear now? The Union sent armies to destroy the South while slavery was still legal and practiced in the North.
That's why there was an underground railroad to the north. you, sir are delusional.
They didn't do it for high minded principles, they didn't outlaw their own slavery until near the end of the War. They did it as an exercise of power. Plain. Simple.
Your boyz still lost bro. Peace.
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Your boyz still lost bro. Peace.
What is the point in trying to discuss things with you when you simply state that whatever evidence or arguments are lain before are simply wrong without recourse to counterargument nor evidence?

Worse what is the point when such case are presented and you simply act as though almost nothing was said at all?

I pointed out the the Confederacy was not my side. I was never a citizen of the Confederacy. No one alive has been. To be exact, since I wasn't incarnate at the time, neither side could be mine. I am merely willing to assess the conflict far more equitably that most people are taught in the State controlled schools.
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I don't buy it as history shows whom fired the first shots of the civil war. Check it out and pick any one of the reports/news.

Lincoln from what I know didn't want a civil war, thats why he took on a Southern as a VP.


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It doesn't make much difference who fired the first shot if we don't also examine why they fired it.

The Union troops at Fort Sumpter represented a foreign army on North Carolinia's soil. Lincolns decision to re provision it was clearly a provocative act designed to produce the results he wanted, and to "justify" fratricidal war.
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What is the point in trying to discuss things with you when you simply state that whatever evidence or arguments are lain before are simply wrong without recourse to counterargument nor evidence?

Worse what is the point when such case are presented and you simply act as though almost nothing was said at all?

I pointed out the the Confederacy was not my side. I was never a citizen of the Confederacy. No one alive has been. To be exact, since I wasn't incarnate at the time, neither side could be mine. I am merely willing to assess the conflict far more equitably that most people are taught in the State controlled schools.
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OK, stop, you're showing profound historical ignorance as well as ignoring the points I just brought up.

The War wasn't an expression of aggression? (As though any war is!) You might want to explain how it led to the deaths of 800,000 people?

Why do you think they sent an army and a navy if their intentions were peaceful? Secession was done with pen and ink. It might have been remedied the same way. But they preferred bullets and cannonballs.
If not for Sumter it might have done
If that's not aggression, what is exactly?
I balk at the loudly and often droolingly slurred ephemism that drops still from the lips of people who probably are descended from Yankees as they cherish the golden hey days of king cotton
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Nobody made the North march on the South they chose to do it, to kill, maim, burn, and drown the people who'd been their countrymen and neighbors a few days before. Get it? Is it clear now? The Union sent armies to destroy the South while slavery was still legal and practiced in the North.
That's why there was an underground railroad to the north. you, sir are delusional.
Guess you can't read "blue" so I broke it up for ya.
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Only if you and others read several of the links I posted.

My point is once one state left the union Ft. Sumpter was fired on. So how do you gage who started a war? I go by who fired the first shots.
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Who forced the hand of Southerns?

I'll read the link.
First there were plenty more thn one link, But to answer your question, just by being elected the south decided to call it quits and left the Union of American States.
Then to make the point they fired the first shots.

If you like we can disagree on the points. As many southern states had already decided before the winner of that election had won.

So I still go by who fired the first shots. And as always you and any other members can have a different opinion, which is only right. Can we agree on this?
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