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Default Taliban vow revenge for Afghans killed by US soldier

We all have heard about this Army Sgt., who went alone to kill civilians Afghans.

I hope this helps us to understand more. There are several video's at the site and the rest of this news release.

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An American staff sergeant is in custody after allegedly killing 16 civilians, including nine children, in a shooting spree in Afghanistan. NBC's Richard Engel reports.



By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services

Updated at 7:24 a.m. ET: A U.S. soldier's shooting of 16 Afghan civilians deepened questions on Monday about what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it withdraws, as Washington rushed to contain the damage from the startling rogue attack.

President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke to Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone and offered condolences for the attack, in which a U.S. soldier left his base in southern Afghanistan and began a middle-of-the-night shooting spree that local officials said killed nine children, three women, and four men.

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"This incident is tragic and shocking," Obama said in a statement.

Reports of the attack remain confused. U.S. officials say only one soldier was involved, while villagers and other Afghans said it was a group of soldiers. But the Obama administration vowed a rapid investigation and promised to hold whoever was behind the violence fully responsible.


Retired General Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, talks to TODAY's Matt Lauer about what could have possibly driven a U.S. soldier to killed 16 civilians, including nine children, in Afghanistan.

The soldier suspected of being responsible has been detained but has yet to be identified. However, a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to NBC News that he is based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, south of Tacoma, Wash.

LIVE Chat: Ask NBC's Afghanistan correspondent your questions about the attack 12:00-12:30p.m.ET

While U.S. officials rushed to draw a line between the shooting and the ongoing efforts of a U.S. force of around 90,000, the incident is sure to infuriate Afghans already suspicious of a Western military presence now over a decade old. The incident may provide ammunition to those in Washington advocating for an accelerated exit from a long, costly and inconclusive war.

'American savages'
NBC News reported that there were no signs of demonstrations early Monday.

In a statement Monday, the Afghan Taliban pledged to "take revenge" against the "sick-minded American savages," according to the AFP news agency.

"The American 'terrorists' want to come up with an excuse for the perpetrator of this inhumane crime by claiming that this immoral culprit was mentally ill," the Taliban statement added. "If the perpetrators of this massacre were in fact mentally ill then this testifies to yet another moral transgression by the American military, because they are arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans without giving a second thought."

Last month, the burning of copies of the Quran on a NATO military base triggered violent protests across the country and a spate of insider attacks against Western soldiers.

Afghan suspect's base has recent history of controversies

$500 billion war bill
Sunday's attack may harden a growing consensus in Washington that, despite a troop surge, a war bill exceeding $500 billion and nearly 2,000 U.S. lives lost, prospects are dimming for what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it pulls most troops out by the end of 2014.

Obama's surge of 33,000 troops has beaten the Taliban back from some areas of Afghanistan's south, but serious doubts remain about whether an inexperienced local military and wobbly central government can keep a resilient insurgency at bay.


Pete Souza / White House via Reuters


President Barack Obama talks on a phone with Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai from his vehicle in Chevy Chase, Md., on Sunday.

"These killings only serve to reinforce the mindset that the whole war is broken and that there's little we can do about it beyond trying to cut our losses and leave," said Joshua Foust, a security expert with the American Security Project.

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Yet our top leaders still want to continued till 2014, while many in America say now is the time to leave.
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Infidels cannot win the hearts and minds of Muslims, and the Taliban cannot be brought out of the insane asylum they love. Take it from there, anyone.
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Infidels cannot win the hearts and minds of Muslims, and the Taliban cannot be brought out of the insane asylum they love. Take it from there, anyone.
WTF does that have to do with one of our soldiers going on a murder rampage killing civilians?
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WTF does that have to do with one of our soldiers going on a murder rampage killing civilians?
Normally, it doesn't faze me when people use the WTF does this or does that have to do with monkey farts sock puppet show, but in your case, I'll make an exception. Refer to post number 1, in blue at the bottom, and then, take it from there. Otherwise, go WTF somebody else, please? Pretty please with a black olive on top?.
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Normally, it doesn't faze me when people use the WTF does this or does that have to do with monkey farts, but in your case, I'll make an exception. Refer to post number 1, in blue at the bottom, and then, take it from there. Otherwise, go WTF somebody else, please? Pretty please with a black olive on top?.
Still not getting it.

And I hate olives.
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Still not getting it.

And I hate olives.
Do we stay there or pull out now? Simple question, offered with the topping of your choice.

The psycho shooting all those people is just par for a psycho.
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Do we stay there or pull out now? Simple question, offered with the topping of your choice.

The psycho shooting all those people is just par for a psycho.
We should have pulled out a looooong time ago. We went there for Osama. Guess what? He's dead.

Now we're just ****ing pissing people off there. You know what happens then? Pissed off people get militant and look for help to direct their anger Guess where it's going to be directed? Gee... I dunno... maybe at the ****ing people burning their books and murdering their civilians.

Stay or go, there will still be radicals, there will still be terrorists. But if we go, our soldiers in that country stop dying and get to come home to their families. We need to get out asap.
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I agree. Burning books, I don't know, but murdering women and children would be frowned upon by any hearts and minds expert.
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - In the search for an explanation of why a U.S. soldier left his base in Afghanistan at night and killed 16 civilians in their homes, some experts have raised the possibility that mental illness or a brain injury played a role in the massacre.

"We're going to look into all of that," General John Allen, who commands U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, told CNN on Monday, declining to comment further on the mental state of the soldier suspected in Sunday's attack. A U.S. official told Reuters that the staff sergeant had suffered a traumatic brain injury in a vehicle rollover in 2010 in Iraq, and was treated and returned to duty.

Experts caution against jumping to conclusions, but two facts are known. This was the sergeant's fourth deployment. And the risk of mental illnesses such as post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, and anxiety-related disorders is generally higher during subsequent deployments than during a soldier's first.

"The more exposure there is to trauma the worse it's going to be," said Dr. David Reiss, a psychiatrist in private practice who has treated patients with PTSD. "Especially if someone is deployed repetitively, then the whole issue of expecting to go home, not going home, just amplifies it."
Seeking the roots of a U.S. soldier's shooting rampage - Yahoo! News Canada

Four deployments, seeing his fellow soldiers getting gunned down for burning a stupid book, and a sever brain injury. While I won't defend his actions I can see where this guy might snap. Even guys in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam snapped, some who didn't have four deployments.

I know a couple of guys who came back from Nam and have PTSD. One of my buddies was only there for two tours, when he first came back he seemed OK, but it didn't take long before he went round the bend. We found him in his apartment one day, and he had already ate the barrel of his 45.

The military better take a hard look at what numerous deployments have done to these soldiers. I remember when this first started and they were denying some of these guys from leaving the service even though their enlistment was up.

I think we are going to see more of this kind of thing happening after these guys come home for good.
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We should have pulled out a looooong time ago. We went there for Osama. Guess what? He's dead.

Now we're just ****ing pissing people off there. You know what happens then? Pissed off people get militant and look for help to direct their anger Guess where it's going to be directed? Gee... I dunno... maybe at the ****ing people burning their books and murdering their civilians.

Stay or go, there will still be radicals, there will still be terrorists. But if we go, our soldiers in that country stop dying and get to come home to their families. We need to get out asap.
And what I and Manitou are saying, he in his way you and I in ours. We did what we set out to do and now is the time to leave, period!!!
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