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Consider this piece of news. If allowed to grow what future does the West have ahead?

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AP Enterprise: Global Islamic group rising in Asia

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Associated Press... Posted 1 Oct. 2011

JAKARTA, Indonesia The chanting crowd at the radical Muslim protest in Indonesia stood out for its normalcy: smartly dressed businessmen, engineers, lawyers, smiling mothers, scampering children.

At a time when al-Qaida seems to be faltering, the recruitment of such an educated, somewhat mainstream following is raising fears that Hizbut Tahrir, an enigmatic global movement, could prove more effective at radicalizing the Islamic world than outright terrorist groups.

Active in 45 countries, Hizbut is now expanding in Asia, spreading its radical message from Indonesia to China. It wants to unite all Muslim countries in a globe-spanning bloc ruled by strict sharia law. It targets university students and professionals, working within countries to try to persuade people to overthrow their governments.

The movement's appeal to an often influential part of society worries experts. Its goal of an Islamic state may be far-fetched, but it could still undercut efforts to control extremism and develop democracy in countries such as Indonesia, which the U.S. hopes will be a vital regional partner and a global model for moderate Islam.

"Our grand plan over the next five to 10 years is to reinforce the people's lack of trust and hope in the regime," said Rochmat Labib, the group's Indonesia chairman in a rare interview with a Western reporter. "That's what we are doing now: converting people from democracy, secularism and capitalism to Islamic ideology."

Hizbut Tahrir, which means The Party of Liberation, is also raising its profile in the U.S. after operating largely underground since the 1990s. Its first major event was a 2009 conference, followed by another one in Chicago this June.

Starkly conflicting views swirl around Hizbut. It has been described as both a peaceful movement to restore one-time Islamic glory and a breeding ground for future suicide bombers, "a conveyer belt to terrorism," in the words of Zeyno Baran, an expert on Islam in the modern world.

Banned in most countries, Hizbut remains legal in others, including the United States, Great Britain, Australia and Indonesia, where its leaders say it has spread to all 33 provinces. It is closely monitored everywhere, and often operates on the knife-edge of legality.

Me thinks these countries that allow Hizbut to operate should conside changing their minds and soon.

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The future for the West is grim with regard to Islamic expansionism. Too many people believe Islam is a religion and not an expansionist political system. Their politically correct mind set leads them to call anyone who points out the true nature of Islam a bigot. In order to thwart Islamic expansion the first step is to convince people the gravity of the threat posed by Islam.
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The future for the West is grim with regard to Islamic expansionism. Too many people believe Islam is a religion and not an expansionist political system. Their politically correct mind set leads them to call anyone who points out the true nature of Islam a bigot. In order to thwart Islamic expansion the first step is to convince people the gravity of the threat posed by Islam.
Say you get all westerners and such to see the threat... then what?
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Say you get all westerners and such to see the threat... then what?
We nuke 'em!
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Say you get all westerners and such to see the threat... then what?

Then we don't allow them to use our freedoms against us.
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Well the reporter did a good job of getting ya'll stirred up. I love the first sentences

The chanting crowd at the radical Muslim protest in Indonesia stood out for its normalcy: smartly dressed businessmen, engineers, lawyers, smiling mothers, scampering children.

He doesn't say what "radical muslim protest" is. Then he instills the idea that the people have been taken over by the body snatchers. They look normal but who knows what they are up to. I am tired of these morons trying to scare us all the time. Are there bad folks out there? Sure. Am I going to flip out at every one of these stories that comes down the pike? nah.
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Then we don't allow them to use our freedoms against us.
With regards to immigrants... sure, deport them. BUT... How do you propose to not allow Muslim Americans with citizenship rights the freedoms that they are entailed?
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We nuke 'em!
MacArthur would be soooo proud! Nuke 'em all!
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MacArthur would be soooo proud! Nuke 'em all!
Yet do you have any suggestions... I disliked McArthur who had yes men around him even when it cost lives.

To me this off set any of his decent moves. Korea would have ended once the 38 parable was retaken.

But no this nut couldn't stop there...
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Yet do you have any suggestions... I disliked McArthur who had yes men around him even when it cost lives.

To me this off set any of his decent moves. Korea would have ended once the 38 parable was retaken.

But no this nut couldn't stop there...
Ya know what gets me? So many of us think McArthur was a putz yet he is considered a great general in history books. I think he got lots of folks killed that didn't need to die. Not to mention what he did to the Bonus soldiers
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