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History, Geography, & Military Discuss Not Even a Hedgehog The stupidity of Ronald Reagan. at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by cnredd False (and knock it off with the personal stuff)... The post MrLiberty references is here ... ...

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Old 08-29-2011, 10:19 PM
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False (and knock it off with the personal stuff)...

The post MrLiberty references is here...

If anyone cared to READ the post instead of simply taking MrLiberty's false interpretation, you'll find these words...

There is not one person on this forum more than six months (except maybe pjohns) who hasn't started a thread that could be construed as "agitation"...I've done it...MrLiberty has done it...and so has 762nato...

That is not the issue...

What IS the issue is the PERCENTAGE of threads started by a member whose only goal is to agitate...

If someone does this 10% of the time, no big deal...20% or 30% might be an eyebrow raiser...Obviously, when it gets to 80% or 90% (or even 100%!) there's a problem...

And don't even think salty's anywhere near the upper echelon...Just because you want to point out the things you consider agitating does NOT prevent the fact that she's ALSO contributed GREATLY to the forum with non-agitating threads such as (but not limited to)...

As much as anyone want's to take pot shots at salty, it's quite obvious her goal is NOT to simply go around starting agitating threads all day...

In fact, I GUARANTEE that she's created more community-driven "get to know the other members" threads than everyone that bitches about her....COMBINED...

Maybe the complainers should do a little more of THAT instead...
not a false interpretation at all, but an observation that shows the inconsistencies that exists over here in the moderating.

It is always someone else who is wrong, never redd, no he can't ever be wrong. Give me a ****ing break.

salty has for the past few months made post after post that are nothing but flaming and no one says a thing. I can come up with a bunch of crap that she and many other on the ****ing left post that do the same. She also has for months been calling or insinuating many posters are racists, and again nothing is said or done.

The hypocrisy has been out of control for a long time and many have pointed it out but you keep your ****ing blinders on and go along with your leftist mods and say nothing.
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Sometimes I think right wingers will NEVER be satisfied until they're literally paying no taxes. It's like ANY taxes are too much taxes. Sorry, but in order to have all the things that make this country great, taxes are necessary, and they need to be more than in 1914. Clinton-era will be just fine.
You are right. I, for one, will not be satisfied as long as people continue to be forcibly separated from their money, an act I consider immoral.

However, as I've said before, my short term goals are simply a deceleration in the march towards collectivist tyranny.
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Default Re: Not Even a Hedgehog The stupidity of Ronald Reagan.

This explains a lot of my position on the economic policies of Ronald Regan and those who have imitated them.

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"Trickle-down economics" and "the trickle-down theory" are pejorative terms that refer to the policy of providing across the board tax cuts or benefits to businesses, such as tax breaks, in the belief that this will indirectly benefit the broad population. The term has been attributed to humorist Will Rogers, who said during the Great Depression that "money was all appropriated for the top in hopes that it would trickle down to the needy."

Proponents of these policies claim that if the top income earners invest more into the business infrastructure and equity markets, it will in turn lead to more goods at lower prices, and create more jobs for middle and lower class individuals. Proponents argue that economic growth flows down from the top to the bottom, indirectly benefiting those who do not directly benefit from the policy changes. However, others have argued that "trickle-down" policies generally do not work, and that the trickle-down effect may be very slim, if indeed it even exists at all.
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Today, "trickle-down economics" is most closely identified with the economic policies known as Reaganomics or supply-side economics. Originally, there was a great deal of support for tax reform; there was a dual problem that loopholes and tax shelters create a bureaucracy (private sector and public sector) and that relevant taxes are thus evaded. During Ronald Reagan's presidency, the Democratic Party-controlled House, at the urging of President Reagan, cut the marginal tax rate on the highest-income tax bracket from 70% to 28%.

A major feature of these policies was the reduction of tax rates on capital gains, corporate income, and higher individual incomes, along with the reduction or elimination of various excise taxes. David Stockman, who as Reagan's budget director championed these cuts at first but then became skeptical of them, told journalist William Greider that the term "supply-side economics" was used to promote a trickle-down idea.
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"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."
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Stockman placed supply-side economics in a long tradition in economics and claimed that laissez-faire, or trickle-down economics, will benefit not just "those well placed in the market" -- the wealthiest people -- but also "those poorly placed in the market" -- the poorest people. A more general version argues that increases in real gross domestic product are beneficial for poor people -- indirectly, marginally and eventually beneficial, of course -- as a consequence, or side effect, of their being directly, significantly and immediately beneficial for the rich people.

Economist Thomas Sowell has written that the actual path of money in a private enterprise economy is quite the opposite of that claimed by people who refer to the trickle-down theory. He noted that money invested in new business ventures is first paid out to employees, suppliers, and contractors. Only some time later, if the business is profitable, does money return to the business ownersóbut in the absence of a profit motive, which is reduced in the aggregate by a raise in marginal tax rates in the upper tiers, this activity does not occur. Sowell further has made the case that no economist has ever advocated a "trickle-down" theory of economics, which is rather a misnomer attributed to certain economic ideas by political critics.
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Sometimes I think right wingers will NEVER be satisfied until they're literally paying no taxes. It's like ANY taxes are too much taxes. Sorry, but in order to have all the things that make this country great, taxes are necessary, and they need to be more than in 1914. Clinton-era will be just fine.

God, the emergency that republicans turn this into, it's mind-boggling.

"It's a different time, we couldn't possibly raise taxes on the rich now even by 5%, it will destroy everything! DOOM AND GLOOM!! Highway robbery!!"

It's comical, actually. And most people don't make enough money for any of this to matter--I don't get why republicans SEEM to worship the feet of the rich like they do, they expect EVERYONE to worship the feet of the rich and call into question people's sanity unless they worship the feet of the rich.

EDIT: I'm bitchy tonight, can you tell?
Until you are willing to pay the top tax rate that you advocate, I find it hard to accept your premise that taxes need to be increased for others.
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Until you are willing to pay the top tax rate that you advocate, I find it hard to accept your premise that taxes need to be increased for others.
bull****. until you have a dog in this race I find your defense of people who have not asked you to defend them ridiculous.
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you are the most pompous person, with the least amount of reason to be so.......I think I've ever seen.
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Until you are willing to pay the top tax rate that you advocate, I find it hard to accept your premise that taxes need to be increased for others.
Too bad.
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bull****. until you have a dog in this race I find your defense of people who have not asked you to defend them ridiculous.
I pay taxes, unlike 50% of tax-filers that don't. As a matter of fact, my single largest expense in life is federal taxes.
Sorry, I do have a dog in this fight. I'm getting sick and tired of carrying the damn burdon for the freeloaders in society.
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Too bad.
Pay your share and quit freeloading.
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I pay taxes, unlike 50% of tax-filers that don't. As a matter of fact, my single largest expense in life is federal taxes.
Sorry, I do have a dog in this fight. I'm getting sick and tired of carrying the damn burdon for the freeloaders in society.
You must be somewhere in that middle bracket like many of the rest of us "not so rich" people. So your taxes did not drop considerably under the Regan and George Jr admins.
From that I would educe you are for straitening things out a bit and getting back on track.
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