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Default Effort to combat PTSD. A good new way!

Have your sound on as this is one video's of 300... But it is the best I have heard on P.T.S.D. even if they use a lot of earlier studies... Well worth the 10 minutes to see it all.

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Tue Jun 14, 8:27PM PT - CBC.ca 10:19 | 4531 views


With thousands of soldiers returning to North America from Afghanistan and Iraq, the search for more effective treatments for trauma has ramped up.
Effort to combat PTSD

About time they take this seriously and not just do a media item take.. Listen to it and see how it has worked..
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Volunteers Needed for Clinical Trial of Marijuana for PTSD Symptoms
Feb 10, 2017 | WASHINGTON Researchers started this week the first-ever clinical trial of marijuana for treating the effects of post-traumatic stress disorder in veterans.
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The trial will test four potencies of smoked marijuana and their effects to manage PTSD symptoms in 76 veterans, according to the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Approved by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Food and Drug Administration, the study is intended to develop marijuana into a legal prescription drug. "We are thrilled to see this study overcome the hurdles of approval so we can begin gathering the data," Amy Emerson said in a written statement issued by the association. The nonprofit drives clinical research on the medicinal use of marijuana, LSD and MDMA, known more broadly as Ecstasy. "This study is a critical step in moving our botanical drug development program forward at the federal level to gather information on the dosing, risks and benefits of smoked marijuana for PTSD symptoms."

The $2.2 million trial is funded by the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. The first participant received marijuana Monday. Researchers are looking for other volunteers who experienced trauma during their military service. The study is being conducted at the Scottsdale Research Institute in Arizona and John Hopkins University in Baltimore. Veterans will visit clinics 17 times over 12-week period, and then will be scheduled for a six-month follow-up. To apply, email arizona@marijuanasites.org or call John Hopkins at (410) 550-0050.


The association has worked since 2010 to gain approval for the study. The DEA gave its approval in April. Dr. Sue Sisley, the medical researcher leading the portion of the study in Arizona and a former Department of Veterans Affairs psychiatrist said at the American Legion national convention last year that veterans were "getting desperate" for PTSD treatment. "I could never reach that level of relief with traditional medications, so I knew I had to keep going," she said of her research.

At the convention, the American Legion issued a resolution urging Congress to remove marijuana from the list of Schedule I drugs, which are designated as having no medical use. "There are a lot of tools that are not being utilized," American Legion Past National Commander Bill Detweiler said at the time. "Here is an opportunity for the Legion to step forward and help [veterans] who are suffering from PTSD." Congress blocked a provision last year that would allow VA doctors to recommend medical marijuana to patients in states where it's legal.

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Great yet the progress is so damn slow........... Which proves those that have the power are so damn blind to reality and very short on wisdom!

From the top of the mountain of power in D.C. on to the different states, the cities and each political structure which still think what was, is better than what can be, if applied to this topic.

The proof is there plain as daylight. So stop searching for the one new document on the fringe which disagrees with those which have positive outlooks based upon recent studies..

If nothing else give it a trial run with out restrictions to cause it's failure.

It might just bring society back from the cliff edge it is now being pushed towards...

As I see it doing the right thing and allowing for making pot legal and usable vets as well as other citizen will benefit and become less stressful and also in the ways they deal with any stress would be for a positive result to all.
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Veterans Using New Electromagnetic Therapy to Treat Depression...

VA Uses New Electromagnetic Therapy to Treat Depression
11 Mar 2017 | The new therapy uses an electromagnet charged with electricity that is applied to specific points on a patient's head.
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Vietnam veteran Percy Jones is one of thousands who have served in the military and now suffers from depression. Jones fought his battle with depression for years and eventually began isolating himself, making matters worse. "I got angry easily and I was always very nervous," Jones told Fox News."I couldn't sleep. I started drinking too much. It got to the point where I was suicidal. I just didn't want to live." It's not just veterans who are at risk of depression, as 11,887 active duty service members received a diagnosis between January and May of 2016 alone. That number adds to the 774,000 veterans who received a possible diagnosis of major depression in 2016.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is providing a new option to help fight the disorder called Repetitive Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, or rTMS therapy. It's a device that uses an electromagnet charged with electricity that is applied to specific points on the patient's head. The powerful magnetic field can then affect the brain cells of the person suffering from depression. The VA purchased 40 rTMS devices to be distributed at facilities across the country. Jones is the first South Carolina patient to receive rTMS therapy. He began seeing Dr. Mark George, the man who invented rTMS therapy, and enrolled in a national trial at the Charleston VA. The therapy involves up to 30 sessions over a six-week period. Jones' treatments lasted 30 minutes per day, five days per week, for six weeks straight. Jones says he saw results shortly after enrolling in the trial. "In the first week and a half I could feel a difference," Jones said. "I started realizing that I was myself again."


Percy Jones receives rTMS therapy to help treat his depression.

Kate Beaver, a spokesperson for the VA in Charleston, told Fox News that 60 percent of patients that received the treatment for clinical trials reported their depression improved or disappeared. "Some patients who get well will stay well indefinitely," Beaver said. "Others may need 'booster' sessions from time to time." Beaver said there are a few side effects that patients experienced during or shortly after getting the treatment: scalp discomfort, headache, facial twitching or pain which can be treated with over the counter pain medications. "These symptoms tend to lessen or go away over treatment time," Beaver said. "Seizure during treatment is the most serious known risk of TMS, and only a very few cases of seizure have been reported. There is little evidence of risk of seizures using TMS the way it is used for depression."

Most insurance companies do not cover the procedure, which could mean thousands in out-of-pocket costs. Terrence Hayes, spokesman for the VA, said the department is currently working with various insurance companies to get better coverage. He said veterans will likely pay a small portion of the overall cost. "The full course of therapy is variable and can cost between $6,000 and $12,000, depending upon the patient's condition and the number of sessions needed," Beaver said. Twenty rTMS devices, costing up to $100,000, will be delivered this year and 20 more are planned for 2018. This decision came nearly three weeks after President Trump announced that it was his top priority to ensure that veterans get the care they need when and where they need it.

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Crap my VA Doctor is creating depression and hitting all of my buttons making me a bit unsteady with her crap lets take away what works for you and put you on this useless cream which will take times to apply 4 or more times a day. And then the clean up afterwards, ya this will mess your day up nicely...

And you will get no relief from using the cream so we done a 100% screw up on you!

Just a note this Doctor has to be a Liberal... Know how I can tell? She wants to take my one med that does give me relief from the pain and have me use some low grade cream.

So as a liberal this is good Take what works and replace it with something that doesn't work well.


I am filing the paper work to change doctors... If that doesn't work I can just drop out from the VA and use the street as a Pharmacy.

Sure not my 1st choice, but push come to shove...
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Low-cost antibiotic may help with PTSD...

Scientists Exploring Antibiotic Treatment for PTSD
April 06, 2017 - People suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, may eventually be helped by a low-cost antibiotic. Early studies show the drug, doxycycline, may be beneficial in the treatment of the psychiatric condition.
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People who have lived through a traumatic experience like war, natural disaster or rape will sometimes relive the experience in their minds to a disabling degree. They experience hyper-vigilance, flashbacks and nightmares. Psychological therapy is usually the treatment of choice to ease the symptoms. Now, scientists think they may be on to something else that works, an antibiotic called doxycycline. It is an old, extremely cheap drug that is normally used to fight bacterial infections.

Here's how it works: To form memories, studies have shown that our brains need proteins called matrix enzymes. They are found all over the body and when they're overactive they contribute to some immune diseases, even some cancers. Drugs, including doxycycline, block these enzymes. Because of their association with memories, researchers wondered if the antibiotic might also weaken the mechanism that forms negative memories. For a memory to persist, according to Dr. Dominik Bach, it has to be reconsolidated or altered in some way.


A pharmacist holds up a bottle of the antibiotic doxycycline in Sacramento, California

A clinical psychiatry researcher at University of Zurich and the Institute of Neurology at University College London, Bach has been conducting experiments with doxycycline. He suggested it prevents reconsolidation of memories. I believe if it works, it could be a treatment that is much simpler and much shorter than a psychotherapy, and I guess it could be very beneficial. Bach helped conduct a study involving 76 healthy participants, half of whom were given the antibiotic while the other half received a placebo.

They were then exposed to the colors red or blue on a computer screen, each volunteer receiving a mild electric shock when they saw one of the colors and not the other. Each volunteer came to associate pain with a particular color. A week later, the participants were brought back into the lab. But instead of receiving a shock, they heard a loud noise when they saw the color that was previously associated with the shock.

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If they would open their mind and not the pocket book to reality, the VA would see this is a waste except for the newest veterans to have P.T.S.D. As over long periods there is no way except to cut out the memories portion of the brain storage space.
After a certain time has passed all one can do is take some sleep aids and lessen the events and disruptions to ones sleep when it happens.

At one time I an a few other Vets in my mental group (this was back when we discovered we were not crazy but had P.T.S.D.) would be woken by what I call "Nam Mares" and would try to recall what brought me out of RIM sleep and write it down..

Man what a ugly picture over time. Vivid combat that I thought I forgot. Yet was buried deep in the mind. The blood, the smells like I was in it right now.

So this just reinforce the bad dreams.. And the VA doctors said to stop doing it and increased our sleep meds.

Well when they stopped giving me the sleep aids in late 2015, I not only could not get more than 3 or 4 hours of sleep each evenoing, and lots of half hour naps during the day. I also found these Nam Mares were as vivid as before and were the cause of never getting a decent night sleep.

After all this time I got a VA Staff member to understand my plight and talked to my Doctor to give me back the main sleep aid. So now I get 5 to 7 hours of sleep with only maybe two interruptions during the sleep period. And I can't stay awake for but a few minutes and am groggy. So no recall of the ugly events.

I do agree from past experiences that having an ounce of pot a week would help a lot more...
But I have no way of getting any nor desire to risk all to do so. As the VA test for it in our lab work.

I guess they will come around in another decade or so. Then after I am eighty/ninety years old I might have a bit of
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mlurp wrote: After a certain time has passed all one can do is take some sleep aids and lessen the events and disruptions to ones sleep when it happens.

5mg of Melatonin oughta do the trick.
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As over long periods there is no way except to cut out the memories portion of the brain storage space.
This is actually a misunderstanding of the cause of PTSD. The PTSD is related to a fundamental change in how the unconscious mind works because of the intensity and duration of the trauma and stress of war. It's unrelated to the actual memories of war and combat. It was the experience, not the memory of the experience, that changed how the mind works. Removing the memory does not remove the experience and once changed the mind cannot change back.

Recollections of the war and combat are a symptom of the PTSD and not a cause of the PTSD.
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I do agree from past experiences that having an ounce of pot a week would help a lot more...
But I have no way of getting any nor desire to risk all to do so. As the VA test for it in our lab work.

I guess they will come around in another decade or so. Then after I am eighty/ninety years old I might have a bit of
The VA has been my primary care provider since 2011 because of my type 2 diabetes from Agent Orange and PTSD and they've never tested me for marijuana and the doctor that's provided counseling for my PTSD knows I've smoked pot virtually everyday since December 1969 when I returned from Vietnam. The only breaks I've ever taken was to pass drug screening in my aerospace career. Never once has the VA run a drug test of any kind on me.

Sleeping problems, including recurring dreams of war, are certainly one of the symptoms and I can still only average about 6 hours a night. I don't take anything for it except a few hits of pot in the evening. They're not the worst problem that I've found. Waking depression that can be overwhelming comes and goes. Luckily it doesn't last long and now that I know the cause it's easier to deal with. For 40 years I didn't know the cause and it was very hard to deal with then.

Inability to have close relationships can also be a symptom and is perhaps the leading symptom resulting in suicide for combat veterans. It's very difficult to live a life without being able to be really close to anyone.

The list of symptoms is quite long and not all combat veterans have the same symptoms probably because not all people deal with the constant danger of war the same. It effect everyone but each person is different in how their unconscious mind changes to address the danger.
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