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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The overwhelming majority of Marines oppose sharing sleeping quarters with openly serving gays and lesbians, an obstacle if Congress lifts the ban on gays in the U.S. military, the top Marine said on Tuesday.
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And if you polled military members 60 years ago, how many do you think would be keen on ending race segregation?

The point is will they do their job, and on that they were very clear...
"But again, we will follow the law, whatever the law prescribes," Conway said.
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And if you polled military members 60 years ago, how many do you think would be keen on ending race segregation?

The point is will they do their job, and on that they were very clear...
"But again, we will follow the law, whatever the law prescribes," Conway said.
The obvious solution, as I've said before, is to allow straight military men to demand to be housed and to shower with military women, and vice versa.

In our Bizzaro world today, what possible objection coudes their be, other than rampant Heterophobia?

On to legalized pedophilia! 'Cauise don't children have rights too?

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The obvious solution, as I've said before, is to allow straight military men to demand to be housed and to shower with military women, and vice versa.

In our Bizzaro worlt today, what possible objection coudes their be, other than rampant Heterophobia?

On to legalized pedophilia! 'Cauise don't children have rights too?

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The obvious solution, as I've said before, is to allow straight military men to demand to be housed and to shower with military women, and vice versa.
In our Bizzaro world today, what possible objection coudes their be, other than rampant Heterophobia?
How is that even analogous?
We segregate our public lockers by male / female. Gays already exist in the male and female shower areas at the Bally's gym and the like.

Gay men BEHAVE THEMSELVES in such situations, and if they don't they should be punished for sexual misconduct.
Furthermore, gays ARE ALREADY in the military. This "we don't want to bunk with gay people" is just perpetuated ignorance cause THEY ARE PROBABLY ALREADY sharing an area with a gay person in any sizable deployment...

If you are willing to hold the same sexual conduct standards for heterosexual men? And insist they behave themselves in that scenario?
And willing to punish them appropriately for misdeeds?

I personally think you'd be inviting a bull into the China shop.
The consequences and subsequent actions would prove what you ask disasterous. Having worked with military men and knowing how they interacted when females were around in JUST a work capacity?


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On to legalized pedophilia! 'Cauise don't children have rights too?
Honestly?
When a person even tries to bring up pedophilia rights as a parallel (of ANY sort) to gay rights?
That's one clear sign of bigotry right there...

A child being raped and two consenting adults are NOT in the same realm.
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. . .Gay men BEHAVE THEMSELVES in such situations. . .
I assure you, straight male Marines, given the chance to shower and sleep in the dorms with female marines will promise to behave. Honest!

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I personally think you'd be inviting a bull into the China shop.
The Mythbusters have demonstrated that bulls in china shops, even when running through, avoid knocking things over. Funny old world, isn't it?
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When a person even tries to bring up pedophilia rights as a parallel (of ANY sort) to gay rights?
That's one clear sign of bigotry right there...

A child being raped and two consenting adults are NOT in the same realm.
I'm sorry, but this is silly. There are plenty of people who think that sex with willing children is just fine. There have been people like that in all cultures throughout history. They don't call what they do rape, they call it a right, and they make many of the same arguments that led to the Gay rights movement.

Not many years ago, sodomites could be confined to mental institutions or imprisoned, just like pedophiles today. The acts didn’t change, society’s permissiveness did.

You may draw a distinction-- I might as well, but we need to recognize that the boundaries we draw are not natural; they are cultural, and religious.

Put another way, any comparison between any two things that can be supported by reason and example is valid, whether useful or not.
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I assure you, straight male Marines, given the chance to shower and sleep in the dorms with female marines will promise to behave. Honest!
I didn't say anything about "will promise".
I talked about ACTUAL BEHAVIOR...

After having been in the military, I can tell you that the heterosexual side of things is NOT something I would blindly trust in such a situation.

For example, Pattaya Beach Thailand is seen as a "liberty port" for the Navy.
Pattaya Beach itself is essentially a hole in the wall city next to the sea. It doesn't even have a port that a lot of boats can dock at.
But the Navy sees it as a "liberty port" for its commodity of young, cheap hookers.
And by young, I'm not talking "18+" young.
I'm talking below 18 and doing it to support their family young.

The fact that the Navy continues to send sailors???
And I'm talking about the Navy brass making these decisions?
"promising to behave" is not something I trust with this big of a move.

The HISTORY of gays in the military behaving themselves is DOCUMENTED PROOF of how it DOES work.


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I'm sorry, but this is silly. There are plenty of people who think that sex with willing children is just fine. There have been people like that in all cultures throughout history. They don't call what they do rape, they call it a right, and they make many of the same arguments that led to the Gay rights movement.
The whole "gay rights" discussion is funny in a variety of ways.
Like how I will often get accused of having "no morales" simply because I disagree on the morality of the ONE issue of homosexuality...

But then the amusing part comes along in the occasional discussion like you pose here...
Do I see those same people stepping up to comment on the pro-pedophilia / pedophilia sympathetic arguers???
Nope! In fact, those same people typically avoid such discussions...


With that said, there are also "plenty of people" who think that their spouse deserved to get killed and they didn't do anything wrong.
If caught, they go to jail.
Likewise, for your "plenty of people" who think it's okay to have sex with a child, if they get caught they go to jail.

Arguing there are "plenty of people" who are guilty or sympathetic to a criminal act is not justification of that act.

To claim "they called it a right also" somehow is all the thought that needs to go into making the comparison?
Ridiculous!

By that level of thinking, why not compare blacks to pedophiles...
Why not compare Christians to pedophiles...


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Not many years ago, sodomites could be confined to mental institutions or imprisoned, just like pedophiles today. The acts didn’t change, society’s permissiveness did.
Again, the HUGE factor that you can't seem to grasp is that one involves CHILD RAPE and the other is between consenting adults.

And I'm sure you'll be happy to trot out the claims of "agreeable children" who were okay with being raped...
If they were so agreeable, why do the pedophiles habitually have to hide their acts even from the parents of the child that is supposedly willing?

Part of the problem with your attempt is that children do not have the maturity to understand what they're getting into. Being persuaded with candy or treats, or other bribery items, is not the same thing as a loving, MUTUAL relationship.


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You may draw a distinction-- I might as well, but we need to recognize that the boundaries we draw are not natural; they are cultural, and religious.
Put another way, any comparison between any two things that can be supported by reason and example is valid, whether useful or not.
Great!
So by your arguments, the cause of black civil rights and the cause of religious equality CAN ALSO be equated to pedophilia claims of "rights", with just as much validity as your claimed parallel between gay rights and pedophile "rights".

What you don't seem to grasp is that there is a GLARING difference that makes the comparison pointless that you try to gloss over.
It would be like me trying to compare Hitler and Bush together for the sake that they were both leaders of their countries who took their country from war to peace...
And I'll just ignore the fact that most people would recognize the comparison as crap because Hitler killed 6 million innocents...
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during my tour of service in the military I had many different roommates.
Black, white & latino.
Protestant, catholic & athiest.
City slickers & country bumpkins.
Straight & possibly gay.
I say possibly gay because I don't know.
I couldn't know by simply looking at a person as in race.
Even the city slicker/country bumpkin difference is rather obvious after just a few minutes of talking --- not that it's a big deal but for some it's a culture shock.
Religion usually doesn't come up unless the two roommates are polar opposites & they still can usually coexist without any serious issues.
Although, I do know that some roommates were reassigned due to their religious differences --- primarily one guy was religious & the other wasn't.
As for gay & straight guys rooming together --- the way it stands now is don't ask don't tell keeps it unknown to the straight guys.
Oh, they might suspect someone is gay but really don't want to know.
They just want to know he's a good soldier & that's it.
By doing away with don't ask don't tell & bringing the gay issue out in the open would only serve to create an issue where there currently isn't one.
Most straight guys don't want to knowingly room with a gay guy --- not that they have an issue with a guy being gay; they'd just be uncomfortable with them in such an intimate setting.
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