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So the question is with this knowledge in hand for months now, why has the CDC and the FDA not sanctioned this drug for use on Covid patients? It's being successfully administered in many other countries, but is blocked for use in the United States. I wonder why?

Is the government having too much fun with keeping America locked down and in fear?
The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous.Mar 5, 2021 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...ry%20dangerous.
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The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous.Mar 5, 2021 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...ry%20dangerous.
So what you're saying is that the FDA will not recommend ivermectin, which has been around since 1975, because there isn't enough information, thus the INITIAL research on a 45+ year old medicine...

...but they have zero problem recommending THREE vaccines that are less than 1 year old from multibillion-dollar pharmaceuticals and have had zero clinical trials...

...and this does not make you question it?...at all???...
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The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous.Mar 5, 2021 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...ry%20dangerous.
over Billion people (young and old) have taken this drug for decades with VERY few problems for other uses. At various doses, with people with various conditions.

UNLIKE ANY of the new vaccines the FDA approved for "emergency use".
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So what you're saying is that the FDA will not recommend ivermectin, which has been around since 1975, because there isn't enough information, thus the INITIAL research on a 45+ year old medicine...

...but they have zero problem recommending THREE vaccines that are less than 1 year old from multibillion-dollar pharmaceuticals and have had zero clinical trials...

...and this does not make you question it?...at all???...
I've read a bit about the initial making of the first vaccine and a bit about the second one. My pharmacist is a smart guy and I trust him. He called me to come get the Pfizer vaccine which was covered by my Medicare that I paid taxes to have when I was working.

I have never heard of this drug and maybe it is something that will work.
I just know I ain't taking it. Or Chloroquine, or quinine which are approved drugs for malaria.
Meanwhile as stated, I hope it brings hope to the hospital situation.
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over Billion people (young and old) have taken this drug for decades with VERY few problems for other uses. At various doses, with people with various conditions.

UNLIKE ANY of the new vaccines the FDA approved for "emergency use".
You know? You don't know me and I don't know you. Not really. A lot of people have taken Codeine and over the counter cold busters over the years with not harm coming to them. I however have very adverse reactions to those drugs. I'm allergic to mangos. in hair products and yogurt (that's how I found out ). But many people can and do eat mangos all their lives with no problemOs.
A drug that many people take for my kind of arthritis made my hair fall out in gobs (luckily, my hair was very thick and when I stopped that ceased/ feels a bit thinner but just normal for most people )
The pneumonia shot gave me pneumonia, but the flu shot has I'm sure saved my life many times, because I now have COPD and I used to get the flu twice a year till I was about 43 or something and got a free flu shot at work once. I was sold, baby.
I do try to choose a doctor who is not an A-hole or a dim-wit. And then I weigh the advice they hand me.
I'm just not jumping on any band wagon and doing research and doctoring myself when I have reliable people to depend on for that. In fact it's their job.

And I don't care what Biden or CDC say I want any non core family coming inside my house to wear a mask. I don't go out much but My husband has had to dodge the bullet every time he goes to the store because only half the people in this town can read obviously or they would wear a mask like he has done since the first day they put the sign up. And don't even talk about remaining 6' away. I guess they weren't great at math either cuz they can't measure that far.

I advocate for the shot but if you can't take it or for some health reason are hesitant, don't. Just wear a mask around others who may be vulnerable to you transferring it in your travels. It's not like I'm a dictator telling you what to do. You have an opinion, I have one too. If I think your opinion sucks a pint of loogies through a straw, well that's what debate forums are all about.
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So what you're saying is that the FDA will not recommend ivermectin, which has been around since 1975, because there isn't enough information, thus the INITIAL research on a 45+ year old medicine...

...but they have zero problem recommending THREE vaccines that are less than 1 year old from multibillion-dollar pharmaceuticals and have had zero clinical trials...

...and this does not make you question it?...at all???...
You don't get it. Her masters have told her what to believe. She doesn't have the time to think for herself.
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I've read a bit about the initial making of the first vaccine and a bit about the second one. My pharmacist is a smart guy and I trust him. He called me to come get the Pfizer vaccine which was covered by my Medicare that I paid taxes to have when I was working.

I have never heard of this drug and maybe it is something that will work.
I just know I ain't taking it. Or Chloroquine, or quinine which are approved drugs for malaria.
Meanwhile as stated, I hope it brings hope to the hospital situation.
Ivermectin has been around for decades and has proven very effective at combating viral infections. It costs very little and has very few if any side effects. It has been shown to be more safe than aspirin.

Quinine has been around for over 100 years. It was first prescribed to fight off malaria and was very effective in doing so. When it was first discovered, it was in the form of a liquid. The British Army would make their soldiers stationed in places where malaria was a problem, drink it every day to fight off the disease. Many soldiers didn't like the tasted and found ways to avoid it.

In order to find a way to get their soldiers to take it, they found that if they mixed it with Gin, the soldiers would drink it. This is the origin of the commonly requested drink Gin and Tonic. To this day, Tonic Water contains Quinine. If you go to the store and find a bottle of Canada Dry tonic water, it states right on the label "Containers Quinine". It will NOT harm you.

For someone that purports to be an avid reader, perhaps you should consider reading things that will expand your knowledge about things that have to do with your health as you are making some pretty stupid statements.
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Vaccine "Emergency Use Authorization" & ivermectin (from Livestream #80)

2 scientist discuss Ivermectin they explore several issues
The evidence looks good.
Seems as good as vaccines.
why hasn't the FDA tested it?
Why did MERCK say it's not safe or effective?
why does the WHO and the Media simply parrot MERCK's statements?

watch before youtube removes it.

From youtube transcript
... we have to talk about the predicament that we are in on youtube with respect to ivermectin which is mentioned specifically in uh their community guidelines youtube has community guidelines.

you really want to start before you even say what the thing is.

yeah i do because um we are scientists who are about to talk about scientific evidence that scientific evidence may have implications for what we collectively ought to be doing and what you individually might think we are not going to make any recommendations as to what you should do and we are not going to say anything conclusive about what the data say because the data are not themselves conclusive however it doesn't mean the data don't imply things and you know i think youtube ought to think very carefully about whether it wants to confront two people who have the proper credentials have demonstrated a willingness to be responsible about evaluating heterodox scientific processes and in this case are have just been through a circumstance where a hypothesis that they were suggesting needed to be investigated is now understood to be necessary to be investigated uh you know in science etc so that's the context.
the question is, given all of the evidence, circumstantial, inadvertent, experimental as it may be, from all of the evidence, that this appears to have a mechanism for action and appears efficacious in preventing both the spread between people and the spread within a person. SO why on earth would you (FDA) not run a very large study that would tell you for sure how good this was and how best to use it.

Yeah why wouldn't you why wouldn't you ?

And uh wouldn't it.. wouldn't it be a legitimate word to use that it would be criminal if you didn't if you knew that it would be a good idea to do so?

Well as it turns out if ivermectin were an effective treatment the vaccines never would have gotten emergency use authorization in the u.s ..And um we know that because even though even my computer would like me not to be talking about this here is and we'll link... we'll link... to uh.. the url for this... but here... uh... here is just a downloaded version of the document from the FDA emergency use authorization of medical products and related authorities guidance for industry in our state and other stakeholders. So i'm going to scroll down this is from January 2017 expires in 2022
this is still the um the guiding document and you go down not very far although it may seem like it's going fairly far and find emergency use authorizations... here we go
"...Criteria for issuance under emergency use authorization medical products
1 criteria for issuance there are a few it needs to be a serious or life-threatening disease or condition there needs to be evidence of effectiveness there needs to be a risk benefit analysis and there needs to be no alternatives...
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"For the FDA to issue an emergency use authorization there must be no adequate approved and available alternative to the candidate product for diagnosing preventing or treating the disease or condition a potential alternative product may be considered unavailable. if there are insufficient supplies of the approved alternative to fully meet the emergency need...."

That is not a problem for ivermectin. By not doing the relevant large-scale clinical studies on ivermectin and thus it not being approved by the FDA for use in Covid that opens the door for euas for emergency use authorization for the vaccines that we are now all living with.

And among this is stunning, if that is the explanation then we are talking about something for which i'm not even sure we have a proper term because...

angry inducing?

uh it is that, but let's just say um this would have elements of malpractice
this would be gross negligence.
i think it verges on depraved indifference
given that we're talking about a life or death situation for vulnerable people who get this disease in addition to effectively the crippling of the world economy and who knows how much harm we'll never be able to measure.

... if this is effective if, this is effective and you know we can't say that it is but we can say, look evidence works a certain way, this certainly seems like a whole lot of evidence that points in a direction, and if it were just simply good at treating people with covid that would be immense the fact that it appears comparable in preventing people from contracting the disease to at a prophylactic dose at a prophylactic dose to vaccines.
That we happen to have a long-standing administration of this thing to people and in parts of the world where there are things like river blindness people do take this regularly in fact i think is referred to as sunday sunday because people remember to take it uh on a as a weekly or bi-weekly basis.
The point is we have a lot of information on how people tolerate this drug . So if it was a great drug for this that would be immensely good news for planet earth. What's more this stuff is readily makable right you can make this stuff all over the world and in fact it is too readily makable probably too readily makable now what do you mean by that well it's been around for a very long time.
and it's no longer under patent
no longer under patent so anybody can make it and not violate
uh and yet and yet check out i mean you actually sent me this
so you know this but check out mark's response

uh so MERCK does MERCK does not like ivermectin at all. i want to point out the the history here so uh satoshi is in here okay omura discovers this compound he sends it to william campbell who i think is a friend of his who is a merc scientist right ivermectin is the drug that emerges it gets a nobel prize right so those two or yeah those two those well those two got a nobel prize for their discovery of that drug and they shared that nobel prize with a woman who was being heralded for discoveries05 in fighting malaria i believe but in any case a nobel prize was awarded for the discovery of the compound that became ivermectin which is a merck drug okay what does mark say mark says um here actually maybe let's see if i can show the relevant here we go okay so this um this is a quote from an article that i will link to merck's patent on ivermectin expired in 1996 and they produced less than five percent of global supply in 2020 they were asked to assist in nigerian and japanese trials but declined both in 2021 mark released a statement claiming that ivermectin was not an effective treatment against covid-19 and bizarrely claimed quote a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies of a drug they donated to be distributed in mass rollouts by primary care workers in mass campaigns to millions developing countries of a drug they donated to be distributed in mass rollouts by primary care workers in mass campaigns to millions developing countries.
The media reported the MERCK statement as a blinding truth without looking at the conflict of interest when days later MERCK received 356 million dollars from the us government to develop an investigational therapeutic the who even quoted MERCK as evidence that it didn't work in their recommendation against the use of Ivermectin it's a dangerous world when corporate marketing determines public health policy global vaccine rollout to everyone is the policy so is there a polite way of saying what the is going on right yeah like we're talking about a situation...
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Vaccine "Emergency Use Authorization" & ivermectin (from Livestream #80)

2 scientist discuss Ivermectin they explore several issues
The evidence looks good.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqxCkJw0Rk

From youtube transcript

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There is no known cure for covid-19, however there is a vaccine.

There is no cure for smallpox. However a vaccine was developed. The western hemisphere does not have smallpox anymore. I had my scar, and so did my husband until we got old. We got the shot in school. They lined us up in the library (ooh! boogeyman! ),
Whooping cough has no complete cure, you can reduce the spread of disease to others with Antibiotics which also lessen the symptoms if given early. However there is a vaccine. 3 day measles will deform a baby if the pregnant mother goes around an asymptomatic victim of the disease. However there is a vaccine. In America we don't see those types of babies anymore even before abortion rights.
There is no known cure for covid-19, however there is a vaccine.
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There is no known cure for covid-19, however there is a vaccine.

There is no cure for smallpox. However a vaccine was developed. The western hemisphere does not have smallpox anymore. I had my scar, and so did my husband until we got old. We got the shot in school. They lined us up in the library (ooh! boogeyman! ),
Whooping cough has no complete cure, you can reduce the spread of disease to others with Antibiotics which also lessen the symptoms if given early. However there is a vaccine. 3 day measles will deform a baby if the pregnant mother goes around an asymptomatic victim of the disease. However there is a vaccine. In America we don't see those types of babies anymore even before abortion rights.
There is no known cure for covid-19, however there is a vaccine.
"There is no known cure for covid-19..."
Are you sure?
the evidence suggest otherwise... if you're willing to look.
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