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mr wonder 09-23-2020 10:39 PM

Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 

Fauci is a good liar.
Dr Paul is exactly right when he says that New York has the WORSE rate in the WORLD. compared to all other nations larger smaller and the same size.
how can anyone call NEw York and New Jersey a Success?
Unless you consider the MOST dead the Success.

Dr Fauci doesn't seem to care much about the oversized death, call it "a few mistakes".
Doesn't address the change in his messaging.
And doesn't even want to address the mistakes or other research or look at herd immunity. he seems very concerned about trying to make himself look good and to sneer... smear Dr Paul.

saltwn 09-24-2020 12:16 AM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 993247)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ4K6AC2XFA

Fauci is a good liar.
Dr Paul is exactly right when he says that New York has the WORSE rate in the WORLD. compared to all other nations larger smaller and the same size.
how can anyone call NEw York and New Jersey a Success?
Unless you consider the MOST dead the Success.

Had and brought it around to a success by wearing masks, shuting down, enforcing curfews, etc.
Quote:

Dr Fauci doesn't seem to care much about the oversized death, call it "a few mistakes".
Doesn't address the change in his messaging.
And doesn't even want to address the mistakes or other research or look at herd immunity.
herd immunity for a novel virus is something trump dreamed up. it is actually what happens if a large percent of a population get vaccinated, not get the virus. the risk of getting the virus is huge compared to getting vaccinated with a successful immunization. And we don't know if we will ever find a vaccine. there's none for aids and many other viruses.

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he seems very concerned about trying to make himself look good and to sneer... smear Dr Paul.
he seems to me very concerned about the health of his countrymen and not wanting this optometrist to spread misinformation for political points.

mr wonder 09-24-2020 07:17 AM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 993250)
herd immunity for a novel virus is something trump dreamed up. it is actually what happens if a large percent of a population get vaccinated, not get the virus. the risk of getting the virus is huge compared to getting vaccinated with a successful immunization.

Trump and the Mayo Clinic and every other Dr in like the past 200 years "dreamed up"?
"How is herd immunity achieved?
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection...
...Natural infection
Herd immunity can also be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu...."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/art-20486808

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Originally Posted by salt
Had and brought it around to a success by wearing masks, shuting down, enforcing curfews, etc.

Yes Had and still have.
the cause for what's brought the current numbers down is still a question IN THE LIGHT of the FACTS that other countries did far less of the same and got better results. And again somehow you and Fauci dismiss the idea of natural herd immunity.

jimbo 09-24-2020 12:19 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 993250)
Had and brought it around to a success by wearing masks, shuting down, enforcing curfews, etc.


herd immunity for a novel virus is something trump dreamed up. it is actually what happens if a large percent of a population get vaccinated, not get the virus. the risk of getting the virus is huge compared to getting vaccinated with a successful immunization. And we don't know if we will ever find a vaccine. there's none for aids and many other viruses.


he seems to me very concerned about the health of his countrymen and not wanting this optometrist to spread misinformation for political points.

Not even close. Herd immunity is the result of most of a population getting a little bit sick and becoming immune to whatever ails us.

Fauchi is a fraud who speaks from whatever direction the wind is blowing.

saltwn 09-24-2020 01:43 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 993254)
Trump and the Mayo Clinic and every other Dr in like the past 200 years "dreamed up"?
"How is herd immunity achieved?
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 vaccines and infection...
...Natural infection
Herd immunity can also be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu...."

"the risk of getting the virus is huge compared to getting vaccinated with a successful immunization".
and it's something that plays out by accident not design. trump got wind of this and seized upon it.
so why didn't herd immunity work for poor Herman Cain?
just a rhetorical question. The black plague sufferers had no herd immunity.
the worst thing about this virus is what we don't know. will it mutate? what will happen when it contacts the flu? and more

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/art-20486808


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Yes Had and still have.
the cause for what's brought the current numbers down is still a question IN THE LIGHT of the FACTS that other countries did far less of the same and got better results. And again somehow you and Fauci dismiss the idea of natural herd immunity.
yes it was bad in a city where people are literally in each other's face a lot especially during transportation. but yes the cases went down till they started opening things up, now they've gone up again like other states that opened up.

how can you say any other country did less than the US?
maybe one backwater. i don't know but most countries did much more than we have.

saltwn 09-24-2020 01:57 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 993254)
Trump and the Mayo Clinic and every other Dr in like the past 200 years "dreamed up"?
"How is herd immunity achieved?
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 vaccines and infection...
...Natural infection
Herd immunity can also be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu...."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/art-20486808


Yes Had and still have.
the cause for what's brought the current numbers down is still a question IN THE LIGHT of the FACTS that other countries did far less of the same and got better results. And again somehow you and Fauci dismiss the idea of natural herd immunity.

Speaking of the Mayo Clinic:

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

Not to mention all the effects on older or already health damaged individuals.
We see these even in people with, "mild symptoms." according to the article.

mr wonder 09-24-2020 06:30 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 993265)
"the risk of getting the virus is huge compared to getting vaccinated with a successful immunization".
and it's something that plays out by accident not design. trump got wind of this and seized upon it.
so why didn't herd immunity work for poor Herman Cain?
just a rhetorical question. The black plague sufferers had no herd immunity.
the worst thing about this virus is what we don't know. will it mutate? what will happen when it contacts the flu? and more.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/art-20486808

Salt 99+% of people who get the covid 1984 virus SURVIVE. unlike "the plague" .
And that's even without a vaccine and with whatever herd immunity that's available now. Also no vaccine is 100% effective so, tragically, the Herman Cains of the world STILL might die. (if not die from the new barley tested vaccines themselves).

mr wonder 09-24-2020 06:42 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 993265)
yes it was bad in a city where people are literally in each other's face a lot especially during transportation. but yes the cases went down till they started opening things up, now they've gone up again like other states that opened up.

how can you say any other country did less than the US?
maybe one backwater. i don't know but most countries did much more than we have.

Salt Sweden never closed schools, never, locked down all biz, never made mask mandatory and they did better than New York, New Jersey and half of Europe.

Japan never did what New York did. They had targeted responses. And No City or statewide lockdowns not even Tokyo where people are even MORE smashed together than NewYork. Businesses CHOOSE weather or not to close or not. NEVER an official lockdown.
FAR less Corona than NewYork.

mr wonder 09-24-2020 06:52 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
FYI, this just in:
Tokyo citizens may have developed COVID-19 herd immunity, say researchers

Researchers in Japan and the United States have conducted a study showing that herd immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) may have developed among the citizens of Tokyo during the summer.
Yasutaka Hayashida (Medical Corporation Koshikai, Tokyo) and colleagues from Boston Children’s Hospital and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical School, Boston, say their study suggests that seroprevalence for SARS-CoV-2 rose to almost 50% at around the same time cases of COVID-19 waned in the city.
“With the rise in SPR [seropositivity rate] nearing 50% within our cohort, matching the time when COVID-19 cases waned, the possibility of herd immunity should be considered, particularly in the highly-dense urban scenario like Tokyo,” writes the team.
A pre-print version of the paper is available in the server medRxiv*, while the article undergoes peer review.

Death rate in Japan fell, despite no lockdown
Compared with the United States and European countries, COVID-19-related mortality has been low in Japan, and the death rate has fallen despite the absence of a lockdown.
The reasons for the low fatality rate are not yet known. They may be related to a low SARS-CoV-2 prevalence across the general population or decreased rates of fatality among infected cases....
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...searchers.aspx


Salt, sorry I have to ask, is this good news to you? Should it be considered seriously or just sneered at?
Or are the all the researchers from Medical Corporation Koshikai, Tokyo Boston Children’s Hospital and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical School, Boston simply working for Trump?

saltwn 09-25-2020 07:26 PM

Re: Dr. Rand Paul Vs. Dr. Fauci
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 993275)
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/art-20486808

Salt 99+% of people who get the covid 1984 virus SURVIVE. unlike "the plague" .
And that's even without a vaccine and with whatever herd immunity that's available now. Also no vaccine is 100% effective so, tragically, the Herman Cains of the world STILL might die. (if not die from the new barley tested vaccines themselves).

there is no herd immunity now as evidenced by every unit or group that is going back out especially unmasked and getting close is re infected.
i was pointing to a fact that we solved 'the plague' without a vaccine. we didnt know anything about it for years and years.
aids still has no vaccine and we didn't even know how it was transmitted for a long while.
what we don't know can hurt us.
let's not be so political and conspiratorial about our health.


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