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Old 04-24-2020, 11:42 AM
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What are the demographics of people dying from covid-19? Do you know?

A reporter in the city where I live has been on quest to find those answers and it took him days to find out. He only managed to get the data for my state. The key statistics that stuck out for me were....
84% of covid-19 deaths in my state were people 65 or older.
Of that group, 96% had some other underlying co-morbidity health issue.

I think that is an incredible bit of data to understand as our country enacts various methods to deal with this pandemic.

Do you know what the stats are in your state?
Is anybody in your state reporting the data?

As a side note, I have seen some reporting concerning race/ethnicity infection/death rates but that doesn't include age/health.
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I have not had the time to try to track this down in my state. However paying attention to what has been said and written by people in positions of authority, here is what I have surmised so far:
  • Based on the studies done at Stanford and USC showing that the number of people that have actually been infected is far greater than the number being reported, the mortality rate being thrown around by the media is greatly exaggerated.
  • Based on the words of Dr. Birx and anecdotal evidence from various doctors and a couple of people I personally know in the medical profession, the number of deaths and hospitalizations credited as C19 is greatly exaggerated. This also goes to show an exaggerated mortality rate.
  • When Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were asked about the Stanford and USC studies, they dismissed them out of hand and basically claimed they were illegitimate. A true scientist would not do this as any information that could shed light on an issue you were working with, should be welcomed and considered. This tells me they have other motives other than science to continue with their insistence that the mitigation efforts should continue.
  • The media and many of those on the left (again I repeat myself) have consistently "moved the goal posts" as to the reasons to shut down our economy. They originally stated it was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals with Covid patients. Now they have changed their tune claim that it would cause a spike in hospitalizations and too risky to do until we have a vaccine. That doesn't square with me or others than were paying attention.

Based on this evidence, I am of the opinion that there are other things at play here and those in positions of power are using the virus to promote an agenda.
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I have not had the time to try to track this down in my state. However paying attention to what has been said and written by people in positions of authority, here is what I have surmised so far:
  • Based on the studies done at Stanford and USC showing that the number of people that have actually been infected is far greater than the number being reported, the mortality rate being thrown around by the media is greatly exaggerated.
  • Based on the words of Dr. Birx and anecdotal evidence from various doctors and a couple of people I personally know in the medical profession, the number of deaths and hospitalizations credited as C19 is greatly exaggerated. This also goes to show an exaggerated mortality rate.
  • When Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were asked about the Stanford and USC studies, they dismissed them out of hand and basically claimed they were illegitimate. A true scientist would not do this as any information that could shed light on an issue you were working with, should be welcomed and considered. This tells me they have other motives other than science to continue with their insistence that the mitigation efforts should continue.
  • The media and many of those on the left (again I repeat myself) have consistently "moved the goal posts" as to the reasons to shut down our economy. They originally stated it was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm hospitals with Covid patients. Now they have changed their tune claim that it would cause a spike in hospitalizations and too risky to do until we have a vaccine. That doesn't square with me or others than were paying attention.

Based on this evidence, I am of the opinion that there are other things at play here and those in positions of power are using the virus to promote an agenda.

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[*]Based on the words of Dr. Birx and anecdotal evidence from various doctors and a couple of people I personally know in the medical profession, the number of deaths and hospitalizations credited as C19 is greatly exaggerated. This also goes to show an exaggerated mortality rate.
This is false, as I have demonstrated repeatedly. The fact is that overall mortality is up tremendously in many countries, including the US, well beyond the deaths currently attributed to COVID-19. Epidemiologists use overall mortality (as compared with expected mortality in the absence of a disease or virus) as a key methodology for measuring the actual mortality of that disease or virus.

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The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.
https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c
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This is false, as I have demonstrated repeatedly. The fact is that overall mortality is up tremendously in many countries, including the US, well beyond the deaths currently attributed to COVID-19. Epidemiologists use overall mortality (as compared with expected mortality in the absence of a disease or virus) as a key methodology for measuring the actual mortality of that disease or virus.



https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c
You state your conclusion as fact, then cite an article which freely uses terms May be, expected, in the absence of, key methodology, attributed.
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You state your conclusion as fact, then cite an article which freely uses terms May be, expected, in the absence of, key methodology, attributed.
It's an article with actual data, as are the articles I've previously posted on this topic. There are tens of thousands of unaccounted for extra deaths, above and beyond those currently attributed to COVID-19. That is a fact. The folks claiming that COVID-19 deaths are being overcounted have nothing but anecdotes and supposition.
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The Troll has returned to regurgitate the state provided talking points he is more than willing to spout.
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The Troll has returned to regurgitate the state provided talking points he is more than willing to spout.
I’m relying on actual epidemiological data and analysis and you guys are relying on a clown who doesn’t know that you shouldn’t inject people with bleach. Who exactly is the troll here?

U.S. deaths soared in early weeks of pandemic, far exceeding number attributed to covid-19

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But in any pandemic, higher-than-normal mortality is a starting point for scientists seeking to understand the full impact of the disease.

The Yale analysis for the first time estimates excess deaths, both nationally and in each state, in those five weeks. Relying on data that the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) released Friday, the analysis paints a picture of unusually high mortality that will come into sharper view as more data becomes available.

The analysis calculates excess deaths by using a model to estimate how many people probably would have died absent the pandemic, and then subtracting that number from the overall deaths reported by the NCHS.

The analysis suggests that the deaths announced in the weeks leading up to April 4, based on reports from state public health departments, failed to capture the full impact of the pandemic. Those incomplete numbers were widely cited at a time when many states were making critical decisions about closing businesses and taking other actions to stem the spread of the virus.

The analysis also suggests that the death toll from the pandemic is significantly higher than has been reported, said Daniel Weinberger, a Yale professor of epidemiology and the leader of the research team. As of Sunday, more than 54,000 people had been killed by the novel coronavirus, according to numbers reported by state health departments and compiled by The Post.
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This is false, as I have demonstrated repeatedly. The fact is that overall mortality is up tremendously in many countries, including the US, well beyond the deaths currently attributed to COVID-19. Epidemiologists use overall mortality (as compared with expected mortality in the absence of a disease or virus) as a key methodology for measuring the actual mortality of that disease or virus.



https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c

Financial Times is an accredited source for medical information regarding cause of death and epidemiologist data?
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Financial Times is an accredited source for medical information regarding cause of death and epidemiologist data?
No, of course not (since there is no such thing as an "accredited" source). They are, however, a highly credible source, and far better than anything anyone arguing the contrary point has posted here (ore elsewhere).
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