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And when the gov't "recommended precautions" include new and untested and/or forced medications, or other actions that come across to some as unreasonable
then we might not comply or might even complain.

And when the gov't wants to STOP folks from using means of their own choosing as a precaution or treatment, i'm going to complain as well.

But in general There's no law or reason that people should be compelled to panic at the words of "official" spokes people.

Salt I mean those officials might be colluding with Russia or something!
(sorry Salt that was just there)
Do you live in China?
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and outside of the U.S. MSM fearmongering

Thailand 'cures' coronavirus with anti-HIV drug cocktail in 48 hours

. . . . A Chinese woman infected with the new coronavirus showed a dramatic improvement after she was treated with a cocktail of anti-virals used to treat flu and HIV, Thailand’s health ministry said Sunday. The 71-year-old patient tested negative for the virus 48 hours after Thai doctors administered the combination, doctor Kriengsak Attipornwanich said during the ministry’s daily press briefing. ‘The lab result of positive on the coronavirus turned negative in 48 hours,’ Kriengsak said. . . .

“The doctors combined the anti-flu drug oseltamivir with lopinavir and ritonavir, anti-virals used to treat HIV, Kriengsak said, adding the ministry was awaiting research results to prove the findings. . . . Thailand so far has detected 19 confirmed cases of the virus believed to have originated in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, which is under lockdown. . . .

” . . . .That is the second-highest number of cases outside of China, with Japan recording 20. So far, eight patients in Thailand have recovered and returned home, while 11 remain in the hospital. In a video released Sunday, Thai health minister Anutin Charnvirakul visited a patient from Wuhan who had recovered from the coronavirus, chatting with her amicably in Mandarin as she thanked him and the medical staff. . . .”

Thailand ‘Cures’ Coronavirus with anti-HIV Drug Cocktail in 48 Hours;” Daily Sabbah [Agence France Presse]; 2/2/2020.
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Also of Interest
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a..._rid=803976109
Novel Coronavirus–The Latest Pandemic Scare” by Dr. Joseph Mercola; Mercola; 2/4/2020.

. . . . Moratorium on SARS/MERS Experiments Lifted in 2017

As mentioned, a number of reports raise questions about the source of the 2019-nCoV [The Chinese coronavirus–D.E.]. For starters, a 2014 NPR article32 was rather prophetic. It discusses the October 2014 U.S. moratorium on experiments on coronaviruses like SARS and MERS, as well as influenza virus, that might make the viruses more pathogenic and/or easy to spread among humans.
The ban came on the heels of “high-profile lab mishaps” at the CDC and “extremely controversial flu experiments” in which the bird flu virus was engineered to become more lethal and contagious between ferrets. The goal was to see if it could mutate and become more lethal and contagious between humans, causing future pandemics.
However, for the past decade there have been red flags raised in the scientific community about biosecurity breaches in high containment biological labs in the U.S. and globally.33 There were legitimate fears that a lab-created superflu pathogen might escape the confines of biosecurity labs where researchers are conducting experiments. It’s a reasonable fear, certainly, considering that there have been many safety breaches at biolabs in the U.S. and other countries.34,35,36,37
The federal moratorium on lethal virus experiments in the U.S. was lifted at the end of December 2017,38 even though researchers announced in 2015 they had created a lab-created hybrid coronavirus similar to that of SARS that was capable of infecting both human airway cells and mice.
The NIH had allowed the controversial research to proceed because it had begun before the moratorium was put in place — a decision criticized by Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at Pasteur Institute in Paris, who pointed out that “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory.“39
Others, such as Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University, agreed, saying “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk.“40

Wuhan is Home to Lab Studying World’s Latest Pathogens
In January 2018, China’s first maximum security virology laboratory (biosecurity level 4) designed for the study of the world’s most dangerous pathogens opened its doors — in Wuhan.41,42 Is it pure coincidence that Wuhan City is now the epicenter of this novel coronavirus infection?
The year before, Tim Trevan, a Maryland biosafety consultant, expressed concern about viral threats potentially escaping the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory,43 which happens to be located just 20 miles from the Wuhan market identified as ground zero for the current NCIP outbreak.44 As reported by the Daily Mail:45
“The Wuhan lab is also equipped for animal research,” and “Regulations for animal research — especially that conducted on primates — are much looser in China than in the U.S. and other Western countries … But that was also cause for concern for Trevan.

Studying the behavior of a virus like 209-nCoV and developing treatments or vaccines for it requires infecting these research monkeys, an important step before human testing.
Monkeys are unpredictable though, warned [Rutgers University microbiologist Dr. Richard] Ebright. ‘They can run, they can scratch they can bite,’ he said, and the viruses they carry would go where their feet, nails and teeth do.’ ”
Coronavirus Outbreak Simulation Took Place in October 2019...
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Don't you want to know about effective treatments and ways the officials can prevent such outbreaks?

...
But I know people who are like,
--If the gov't AND CNN don't say it, then it's not true.--
they don't say it that clearly but practically speaking that's how they operate.

I told my wife and Family decades ago that Margarine was Crap, far worse than butter. But I was reading crazy paranoid HEALTH Magazines.

I repeated info i found about Epstein, Clinton and Trump and other officials YEARS ago, and people left and right, said it was "fringe" and conspiracy. Because the websites I found the info weren't MSM, and the info wasn't repeated on the MSM... now we know why.

For years I'd talked about gov't spying on U.S. citizens, but that was just crazy talk found on "the internet". Now we all know better. CNN FOX NBC said it so it must be true.

Evidence is available to give people a heads up on what's going on or what has gone on.
And, YES there a lot of BS out there too, ... so take the meat and leave the bones, but it's foolish to dismiss outside sources wholesale.

But somethings we all know for sure nowadays.
From time to time, the gov't lies, and CAN keep secrets for years and decades.
the MSM is selective in the info it shares with the public. And reg-u-lar-ly HYPES "official" narratives, war propaganda, corporate talking points, fear, and all with a partisan twist.


anyway...
A Federal Ban on Making Lethal Viruses Is Lifted
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/h...ruses-nih.html
NewYorkTIMES
Federal officials on Tuesday ended a moratorium imposed three years ago on funding research that alters germs to make them more lethal.
Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks.
Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.
Critics say these researchers risk creating a monster germ that could escape the lab and seed a pandemic.
Now, a government panel will require that researchers show that their studies in this area are scientifically sound and that they will be done in a high-security lab....


Moratorium on risky experiments lifted for MERS mouse studies
By Jocelyn KaiserDec. 18, 2014 , 1:00 PM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...-mouse-studies
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BBC
US lifts ban on lethal virus experiments despite security risks
20 December 2017
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42426548
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Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-t...hogens-1.21487

From an open access science journal.
confirms the Wuhan research facilities work on the corona virus.
with this published paper from 2019, sighting reseach done there from 2003 forward.
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/11/4/379/htm


sooo before you roll your eyes please do some research. the internet is an amazing and terrible place.
use it well.

based on the info available can we say for sure what happened?
If we TRUST the official stories sure ... I guess so.
Is it crazy to ask 2nd and 3rd questions about reports from even CHINESE officials?
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As far as the Corona virus treatment in Thailand goes, yes others are looking into that as well...

Startpage search results

Has Thailand found a cure for the Wuhan coronavirus? - KHOU.com
https://www.khou.com/article/news/ve...e-fd8e69499fde
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Feb 4, 2020 ... A post on on Facebook claims Thailand found a cure for the deadly virus.
Thailand sees apparent success treating Coronavirus with drug ...
https://m.economictimes.com/news/int...w/73879572.cms
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Feb 5, 2020 ... BANGKOK: A Chinese woman infected with the new coronavirus showed dramatic improvement after she was treated with a cocktail of ...
Thailand sees apparent success treating Coronavirus with drug ...
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/73879572.cms
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Feb 7, 2020 ... The first Thai person infected with the coronavirus was detected on Jan. ... oseltamivir combined with antivirals common for the treatment of HIV ...
China's Coronavirus Outbreak Prompts Patients to Scramble for ...
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...e-for-remedies
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Feb 5, 2020 ... The first person to test positive for locally transmitted coronavirus, ... to be infected in Thailand had been treated, cleared and discharged by ...
Coronavirus Thailand: Dealing with the coronavirus outbreak
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...mpact-tourism/
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7 hours ago ... Thailand coronavirus update: See the latest updates, news and analysis of ... Hospitals treating or testing Thailand coronavirus cases. Doctors ...
Potential Cure to Wuhan Coronavirus Discovered by Thai Doctors
https://interestingengineering.com/p...y-thai-doctors
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Feb 4, 2020 ... Doctors from Thailand may have discovered a possible cure to the Wuhan coronavirus.
As Coronavirus Spreads, Thai Doctors Discover a Promising ...
https://www.ecowatch.com/coronavirus...645011844.html
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Feb 3, 2020 ... Thai doctors have found a promising treatment for the new coronavirus. The doctors, from the Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok, said Sunday that a ...
Thai doctors claim success in treating coronavirus with drug cocktail ...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...drug-cocktail/
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A Chinese woman infected with the new coronavirus showed a dramatic improvement after she was treated with a cocktail of anti-virals used to treat flu and HIV, ...
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