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It seems to me that the flaw in this argument is that people who have had near death experiences weren't really dead after all.
the dr in the piece says they were dead why do think the dr is wrong?
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the dr in the piece says they were dead why do think the dr is wrong?
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Researchers at NYU's Langone Medical Center have conducted a study of patients who have experienced near-death experiences

Is this not correct?
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Researchers at NYU's Langone Medical Center have conducted a study of patients who have experienced near-death experiences

Is this not correct?
the word "near death" is the label yes. but the label is defined as the Dr speaks.
it's people who's heart and brain function have stopped and they are declared medically dead. who then are revived from that death and report experiences during the time they were medically dead.

And technically speaking the term "NEAR death" experiences could just as easily mean DIED not to long ago experiences.
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the word "near death" is the label yes. but the label is defined as the Dr speaks.
it's people who's heart and brain function have stopped and they are declared medically dead. who then are revived from that death and report experiences during the time they were medically dead.

And technically speaking the term "NEAR death" experiences could just as easily mean DIED not to long ago experiences.
Not wishing to get into a nitpicking argument, but if a person is revived, he/she was not medically dead. People do not revive from dead.
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Not wishing to get into a nitpicking argument, but if a person is revived, he/she was not medically dead. People do not revive from dead.
The dr's say they do.
You say they don't. who am i to believe?

Dr.s don't have a problem acknowledging the fact people who die can be revived after short periods. (Or in some cases have come back spontaneously.) For Longer than i thought, this Dr in this interview says an HOUR.

It's weird that some people won't accept verified repeated scientific observations. This isn't stuff supposedly happening "Millions" of years ago, or Billions of miles away. It's happening and documented today. But somehow you seem to be rejecting it out of hand . Not very rational on your part jimbo. The honest thing to say is 'well I don't know how to explain it ' and leave at that, rather than pretending it doesn't happen man.
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Interview with author of book below
http://mynetbox.info/audio/J_Steve_M...ience_01z1.mp3


Near-Death Experiences as Evidence for the Existence of God and Heaven:
A Brief Introduction in Plain Language

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....In this multiple award-winning book, the reader will explore:
• The common naturalistic explanations for NDEs.
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• The results of 35 years of research into NDEs by doctors and other professionals, fully documented for those who want to study further.
• A comparison of NDEs with Christian teachings.
• Recommendations of key books, researchers, and publications for further study.

“Can we survive death? Is there a God or a heaven? Miller provides the discerning reader with ample reason to think that the answer to these all-important questions is 'yes'.” - Dr. Peter Schaefer, Senior Research Psychologist, Department of Defense

“For some time we’ve needed a well-researched, compelling introduction to this exciting field that focuses on the evidence. Miller delivers!” – Jeffrey Long, MD, author of the New York Times bestselling Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences...
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