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Sex change treatment for kids on the rise
BY The Associated Press
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, February 20, 2012, 9:39 AM
CHICAGO -- A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics.

It's an issue that raises ethical questions, and some experts urge caution in treating children with puberty-blocking drugs and hormones.

An 8-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient. Born a girl, the child announced at 18 months, "I a boy" and has stuck with that belief. The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment, his mother told The Associated Press.

Sex change treatment for kids on the rise - NY Daily News


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U.K
More than 800 children given puberty block drug on NHS to aid future sex change operation
MORE than 800 children have been given drugs on the NHS which delay the onset of puberty to help them have sex change operations in the future, according to a report.
By Ross Logan
18:50, Sun, Jul 30, 2017 | UPDATED: 12:32, Thu, Aug 31, 2017

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/83...lockers-gender

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GP probed for giving child, 12, gender-change hormones
10 September 2017
A Monmouthshire GP is being investigated over complaints about her giving gender-change hormones to children as young as 12.
Dr Helen Webberley has been restricted from treating transgender patients unsupervised while the General Medical Council (GMC) looks into the case.
The Abergavenny-based GP said there had been no adverse finding against her.
The GMC said it would only comment on investigations if and when they reached tribunal stage.


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Sex change treatment for kids on the rise
BY The Associated Press
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Monday, February 20, 2012, 9:39 AM
CHICAGO -- A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics.

It's an issue that raises ethical questions, and some experts urge caution in treating children with puberty-blocking drugs and hormones.

An 8-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient. Born a girl, the child announced at 18 months, "I a boy" and has stuck with that belief. The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment, his mother told The Associated Press.

Sex change treatment for kids on the rise - NY Daily News
Dr. Norman Spack is a pediatric endocrinologist who works out of Boston Children's and runs a gender identity medical clinic. Puberty blocking drugs run $1000 a month. He advocates for less expensive drugs and getting the "condition" out of the DSM. He's found his niche.
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Sex change treatment for kids on the rise
BY The Associated Press
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, February 20, 2012, 9:39 AM
CHICAGO -- A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics.
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I don't believe in inflicting parents religion, fads and trends, optional habits, or political beliefs on a child. And this one is irreversible in most cases imho. stupid-stupid and immoral,
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I don't believe in inflicting parents religion, fads and trends, optional habits, or political beliefs on a child. And this one is irreversible in most cases imho. stupid-stupid and immoral,
I agree, that hormones and puberty stopping drugs is stupid and immoral.
personally i'm shocked that parents would even consider doing this and that Medical bodies would allow it.

But I'm not sure where your coming from by starting your comment with parents NOT "inflicting" their religion on their children.
And, I don't know how anyone can biblically support that Idea.

But the scripture clearly tell us to teach our children our "religion".
Deuteronomy 11
"Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 20 Write them on the door frames of your houses and on your gates, 21 so that your days and the days of your children may be many in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors, as many as the days that the heavens are above the earth."

Psalms 78
..We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:..
and there much more along that line.

whether or not a child ultimately believes it is another story but it's Clear that God want his people to teach their children the reality and ways of God.

And on the other hand if parents DON'T teach their children someone else WILL teach them SOMETHING about God that they will end up believing.
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I agree, that hormones and puberty stopping drugs is stupid and immoral.
personally i'm shocked that parents would even consider doing this and that Medical bodies would allow it.

But I'm not sure where your coming from by starting your comment with parents NOT "inflicting" their religion on their children.
And, I don't know how anyone can biblically support that Idea.

But the scripture clearly tell us to teach our children our "religion".
Deuteronomy 11
"Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 20 Write them on the door frames of your houses and on your gates, 21 so that your days and the days of your children may be many in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors, as many as the days that the heavens are above the earth."

Psalms 78
..We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:..
and there much more along that line.

whether or not a child ultimately believes it is another story but it's Clear that God want his people to teach their children the reality and ways of God.

And on the other hand if parents DON'T teach their children someone else WILL teach them SOMETHING about God that they will end up believing.
I think our system has progressively promoted parents deferring childhood issues to the experts who act as surrogates. The school, social agencies, and medical community are raising our kids in large part. Enter Doctor Norman Spack, another village "expert" with prescriptive authority. He is very convincing and may present the 40% suicide rate as a sobering reality. Parents of the confused prepubescents will have to decide. The same scenario is played out in the offices of other "experts" who call themselves psychiatrists. They also have explanations from the DSM and prescriptive authority.
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I think our system has progressively promoted parents deferring childhood issues to the experts who act as surrogates. The school, social agencies, and medical community are raising our kids in large part. Enter Doctor Norman Spack, another village "expert" with prescriptive authority. He is very convincing and may present the 40% suicide rate as a sobering reality. Parents of the confused prepubescents will have to decide. The same scenario is played out in the offices of other "experts" who call themselves psychiatrists. They also have explanations from the DSM and prescriptive authority.
As with many things, the government believes the people are 'too stupid' to make intelligent choices and decisions for themselves, and their children. And unfortunately, there are a great many who all too willingly abdicate their rights as parents so someone else can make the hard decisions.

While I desperately hope that this fad to bend to a child's belief that they are a different gender, is overridden by outcries of anger and disbelief over what people are doing to these children, I fear mostly for those children, some who may have gone through surgeries that cannot be undone.
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As with many things, the government believes the people are 'too stupid' to make intelligent choices and decisions for themselves, and their children. And unfortunately, there are a great many who all too willingly abdicate their rights as parents so someone else can make the hard decisions.

While I desperately hope that this fad to bend to a child's belief that they are a different gender, is overridden by outcries of anger and disbelief over what people are doing to these children, I fear mostly for those children, some who may have gone through surgeries that cannot be undone.
Abdicate sounds about right, along with usurpation. Several years ago, Justina Pelletier was taken away from her parents by BCH and the State of Massachusetts. The Boston Globe reported that the process was jokingly referred to as a "parent-ectomy" by the "experts" who claimed she had a psych illness and not mitochondrial disease.
I guess the precept of "first, do no harm" can easily be side-stepped in the name of a questionable medical treatment.
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As with many things, the government believes the people are 'too stupid' to make intelligent choices and decisions for themselves, and their children. And unfortunately, there are a great many who all too willingly abdicate their rights as parents so someone else can make the hard decisions.

While I desperately hope that this fad to bend to a child's belief that they are a different gender, is overridden by outcries of anger and disbelief over what people are doing to these children, I fear mostly for those children, some who may have gone through surgeries that cannot be undone.
the thing is the "medical" fad/trend seems like many other destructive fads. where the experts today get a foothold and do things to people that 20 years from now the patients and doctors will be on the news talking about it's PROVEN to be such a horrible idea. Hopfully it will mean it stops but it may be so entrenched by that point that many will just accept it as part of the regular medical options pediatricians are TRAINED to use.

On these sexual and gender issues the idea that folks can see the obvious and potential problems now... without going down that road... are brushed aside becasue many of those that point them out aren't the medical "experts" on the cutting edge of the social trend, they are considered old fashioned, religious or simply "misinformed concerning the complexities".


As zoriolus said, too many people think parents and the wider culture's POV's here should be set aside and replaced. The views of the current vogue experts used as a guide for all aspects of life and thought but especially sexuality.
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the thing is the "medical" fad/trend seems like many other destructive fads. where the experts today get a foothold and do things to people that 20 years from now the patients and doctors will be on the news talking about it's PROVEN to be such a horrible idea. Hopfully it will mean it stops but it may be so entrenched by that point that many will just accept it as part of the regular medical options pediatricians are TRAINED to use.

On these sexual and gender issues the idea that folks can see the obvious and potential problems now... without going down that road... are brushed aside becasue many of those that point them out aren't the medical "experts" on the cutting edge of the social trend, they are considered old fashioned, religious or simply "misinformed concerning the complexities".


As zoriolus said, too many people think parents and the wider culture's POV's here should be set aside and replaced. The views of the current vogue experts used as a guide for all aspects of life and thought but especially sexuality.
I think too that a lot of this nonsense is parent based.

5 YO Johnny picks up a Barbie doll thinking I can really whack my sister hard with this. Mom sees Johnny pick up a Barbie and thinks I really always wanted a girl. Cut it off.

Unfortunately shrinks and doctors are often willing to oblige them.
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I think too that a lot of this nonsense is parent based.

5 YO Johnny picks up a Barbie doll thinking I can really whack my sister hard with this. Mom sees Johnny pick up a Barbie and thinks I really always wanted a girl. Cut it off.

Unfortunately shrinks and doctors are often willing to oblige them.
Do you have any statistics on how often this happens?
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