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Health, Wellness, Sex and Body Discuss Cyber-bullying Video Girl Commits Suicide at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by 1069 You want to glorify a fifteen year old girl? Here you go: Malala making good progress: ...

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Old 10-24-2012, 11:12 PM
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You want to glorify a fifteen year old girl?
Here you go:

Malala making good progress: Doctors - thenews.com.pk

Here's one who thinks life's worth living, even though the "bullies" in her life were grown men with guns.
Here's one who risked her life so that she and other girls could go to school, instead of drinking bleach because she had to.
I am not "glorifying" anyone, however as I explained, we do not know the depths of despair she felt since she was obviously mentally unstable. Some people are strong in similar and worse situations because they have basic mental stability and reasoning...good genes maybe..." But for the grace of God go I." Amanda was indeed a poor soul, but a beautiful, and precious one nevertheless.


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Without identity.
~Emily Bronte
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:49 AM
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I am not "glorifying" anyone, however as I explained, we do not know the depths of despair she felt since she was obviously mentally unstable. Some people are strong in similar and worse situations because they have basic mental stability and reasoning...good genes maybe..." But for the grace of God go I." Amanda was indeed a poor soul, but a beautiful, and precious one nevertheless.


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You're also subtly denigrating her parents, which is bullsh!t too.
So what if they were divorced. Who isn't?
How do you know she didn't feel she could talk to them?
That's not the story I've heard.
She and her dad were planning to get matching "Stay Strong" tattoos. Now that she's dead, he had to go get one by himself, in her honor.
When she had to leave her dad's and move in with her mom to switch schools, her mom redecorated her room just the way she wanted it. Her mom is a teacher of children with learning disabilities (which Amanda had). What makes you think she "couldn't talk to her"? Her mom stated "Amanda had no secrets from us. She was not a secretive kid, in the end."
Asked why she didn't just take away the girl's internet access, she stated, "It's more complicated than that. I'd have to take away her phone as well, and that would make her feel less normal, when the point was to make her feel more normal. To protect her 24/7, I would've had to strap her to my body, and obviously I could not do that."
The parents don't sound like idiots. They don't sound uncaring.
What's more, Amanda's mother and father claim she had plenty of friends, good friends she'd had since childhood, and some of these friends have stepped forward to express their dismay and confusion over why she did this.

Amanda's "pain" is trivial, compared to the pain she's inflicted on others.
This is definitely not her parents' fault. It's her own fault.
She did these terrible things to herself. No one did them to her. Everyone tried desperately to prevent them.
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You're also subtly denigrating her parents, which is bullsh!t too.
So what if they were divorced. Who isn't?
How do you know she didn't feel she could talk to them?
That's not the story I've heard.
She and her dad were planning to get matching "Stay Strong" tattoos. Now that she's dead, he had to go get one by himself, in her honor.
When she had to leave her dad's and move in with her mom to switch schools, her mom redecorated her room just the way she wanted it. Her mom is a teacher of children with learning disabilities (which Amanda had). What makes you think she "couldn't talk to her"? Her mom stated "Amanda had no secrets from us. She was not a secretive kid, in the end."
Asked why she didn't just take away the girl's internet access, she stated, "It's more complicated than that. I'd have to take away her phone as well, and that would make her feel less normal, when the point was to make her feel more normal. To protect her 24/7, I would've had to strap her to my body, and obviously I could not do that."
The parents don't sound like idiots. They don't sound uncaring.
What's more, Amanda's mother and father claim she had plenty of friends, good friends she'd had since childhood, and some of these friends have stepped forward to express their dismay and confusion over why she did this.

Amanda's "pain" is trivial, compared to the pain she's inflicted on others.
This is definitely not her parents' fault. It's her own fault.
She did these terrible things to herself. No one did them to her. Everyone tried desperately to prevent them.
I have alot of empathy for her parents...who are you to say I'm "subtly denigrating her parents"? Is that YOUR opinion? I also refute your claim "So what if they were divorced. Who isn't?" I'm not...been married 30 years, as are many of my aquaintances. As for Amanda's relationship with her parents and peers...I NEVER said she couldn't confide in any of them, however many people especially teens have trouble confiding to even their closest relationships...I was the same as a teen. It did not matter how much someone had done to help me, I just felt sometimes like NO ONE could understand what I was going through. Her Mom said her daughter had no secrets from them which is probably true, of which leads to something that hasn't been discussed too much yet. Amanda was taking an anti-depressant and another medication for her anxiety. It is now well-known that anti-depressants can cause suicidal behavior in the person taking them, and this coupled with the anti-anxiety pills is a volatile "Catch-22' situation. So as to her friends who claimed "dismay and confusion over why she did this," they probably knew a different girl than the medicated one, who would become capable of the unthinkable, which unfortunately is all too common when taking these meds.
I also got my degree in mental health, and I just want to make clear that I learned the family of the mentally ill person always has the hardest time dealing with and understanding their needs because they are too "connected" through family. The family also doen't see the their own family member as being "ill." I could imagine the same for Amanda's Mom dealing with her daughter's learning disability.
When you said, "Amanda's "pain" is trivial, compared to the pain she's inflicted on others," how could you possibly know how "trivial" her pain was? I do not claim to know either, however her pain was REAL to her and I doubt in her worst moment she could rationally consider her parents' or friends' feelings at that tragic moment. Her fault? No, I don't believe so...nor her parents. Let's do away with whose fault it was...God doesn't care, probably not her anguished parents either because "fault" can attach to many things that are unworthy of exposure. No one should give a damn! Let's instead give a damn about the privacy her family needs so much, or what we can do for other people, young and old that feel despair for whatever reason.
Forgive me but I cannot help but defend this child as so many didn't while she was alive...that's the least I can do for her!
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