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Old 10-14-2012, 05:11 PM
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Yes, the girlfriend was on vacation, but Amanda did not post explicit pictures of herself as you said, and when she says the guy led her on, and she thought he really liked her that suggests she was led to believe he was free to pursue her. To suggest she was looking for trouble is a distortion.

The girl was a victim. Her story is sad. The girl who beat her up should be charged with assault. The fifteen girls who accompanied her should be ashamed of themselves. The internet perv should go to jail, and the cyber-bullies who laughed at her for drinking bleach should have their parents informed.

As to actions having consequence. She didn't deserve what she got, and that's all.

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Yes, the girlfriend was on vacation, but Amanda did not post explicit pictures of herself as you said, and when she says the guy led her on, and she thought he really liked her that suggests she was led to believe he was free to pursue her. To suggest she was looking for trouble is a distortion.

The girl was a victim. Her story is sad. The girl who beat her up should be charged with assault. The fifteen girls who accompanied her should be ashamed of themselves. The internet perv should go to jail, and the cyber-bullies who laughed at her for drinking bleach should have their parents informed.

As to actions having consequence. She didn't deserve what she got, and that's all.

My story: Struggling, bullying, suicide, self harm - YouTube
I'm probably just embittered, but from where I'm standing, it looks to me like she was mostly a victim of herself. Nobody but Amanda Todd cut Amanda Todd with razors, poured bleach down her throat, or put a noose around her neck. Maybe the bullies were just another weapon in the arsenal of weapons she used to scourge herself.
The fate she's inflicted upon her parents- to outlive one's own child, to watch one's own child torture herself so brutally before she finally died- is surely a fate worse than death. To drive home the message of how little she gives a sh!t, they'll have to live forever with the knowledge that she stood before the world before she died holding a sign that read "I have nobody."
They were nobody to her. She was nobody to herself, and so of course those who loved her didn't rate as human, either, in her mind.
I realize she was mentally ill. But whether or not her behavior was 'her fault" or the fault of her mental illness, people like her mindlessly hurt those who love them in their quest for self-obliteration.
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But see, to me that sounds like blame the victim, and I have to wonder why.

I don't excuse her abusers, and I want to see them punished. That's what turns my crank.
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But see, to me that sounds like blame the victim, and I have to wonder why.

I don't excuse her abusers, and I want to see them punished. That's what turns my crank.
I want to see them punished, as well.
But I don't have to support or condone Amanda Todd's actions in order to want to see them punished.
In fact, I'm rather put out with Amanda Todd. When I was her age, I was a mom already. two years after that, I was a divorced stripper with two kids. Here she is living rent free in her parents' homes and going to high school, playing around on webcams and social networks, yet the stress is too much, she has to torture herself to death.
Yes, I realize she was mentally ill, as I stated. And I'm sure I'm seeing this through a lens of bitterness.
But weakness angers me, for the reasons stated in the post above: weak people drag others down. They hurt or even destroy those who care about them, even though they might not mean to.
Add to that the fact that my own homeless drug addict of a child is standing on a street corner a few blocks from my apartment, holding a stupid sign about how awful his life has been in an attempt to get passersby to give him spare change so that he can buy drugs, and Amanda Todd and her little signs just get under my skin a bit. If she actually "needed someone", why didn't she go hug her parents and let them envelop and protect her, instead of hiding in her room with her webcam, slicing her arms with razor blades and scribbling notes about how no one cared?
Yes, punish the bullies, by all means. Much good that it will do her.
Maybe it will bring her parents some measure of satisfaction or closure, and that alone is reason enough for me to support it wholeheartedly.
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Don't glorify this girl.
I saw someone on this very thread say, "She reminds me of my daughter."
Seriously? Your daughter disregards your love for her while seeking approval from strangers on the internet, uses drugs and alcohol, mutilates herself with razors and attempts suicide on a regular basis?
These deaths are always followed by copycat deaths. Other miserable and disturbed teenagers see the attention the dead teen is receiving, and attempt to emulate her.
She has not done a single admirable thing, that I am aware of. Maybe she once saved a kitten, but I don't know about it. I only know what she's told me and the rest of the world, and what she's told us does not impress me.
Show your daughter this video, not because the girl in it "reminds you of her", but to show her what you expect her not to be.
Amanda Todd cried because she wanted someone to be nice to her. Did it ever occur to her that she could proactively be nice to others? She wanted someone to help her. Did it occur to her that she could take the initiative and help someone else? I've heard that this video was her attempt to "help others", but I do not see how. She said she needed someone, that she wanted someone to care about her, but the truth is, people did care. Her father, who lifted her out of that ditch and took her home (where she proceeded to repay him by drinking bleach). Her mother, who then took her in so that she could go to a different school.
She didn't just want "someone" to care about her. She wanted the people who didn't care about her to care about her. The people who actually did care about her.... well, apparently she didn't care much about them. Their love didn't satisfy her or fill the void within her.

Pity suicides if you must, but please don't glorify them. Glorify survivors. Teach your children- as I suggested in my first post on this thread- to be smart and strong. Smart enough to make good choices; strong enough to live with the bad ones they make... and be happy anyway.
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I gotta tell you my daughter got a picture of some kid chugging bleach on facebook today. It said something like Amanda this is for you, like if you want to slap(meaning the idiot who posted the pic). My daughter didn't get what it was about so I told her and she ignored the picture and "liked" the Amanda Todd memorial page.

Who ever is doing this needs some serious psychiatric help.
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Don't glorify this girl.
I saw someone on this very thread say, "She reminds me of my daughter."
Seriously? Your daughter disregards your love for her while seeking approval from strangers on the internet, uses drugs and alcohol, mutilates herself with razors and attempts suicide on a regular basis?
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To answer your question without getting into the peticulars of my daughters life,yes something very similar. She does not attempt suicide or cut, she is just very self destructive in other ways and yes she has seen a shrink. I'm not glorifying this girl and yes her behavior and even appearence does remind me of my daughter. My daughter is 20 now.
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To answer your question without getting into the peticulars of my daughters life,yes something very similar. She does not attempt suicide or cut, she is just very self destructive in other ways and yes she has seen a shrink. I'm not glorifying this girl and yes her behavior and even appearence does remind me of my daughter. My daughter is 20 now.
As is my middle son (the one who stands on the street corner holding a sign).
The fact that they made it to twenty shows that they are nothing like Amanda Todd. Let's hope that whatever reserve of strength or parental love or sheer survival instinct got them this far... will get them down the road a little farther.
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Don't glorify this girl.
I saw someone on this very thread say, "She reminds me of my daughter."
Seriously? Your daughter disregards your love for her while seeking approval from strangers on the internet, uses drugs and alcohol, mutilates herself with razors and attempts suicide on a regular basis?
These deaths are always followed by copycat deaths. Other miserable and disturbed teenagers see the attention the dead teen is receiving, and attempt to emulate her.
She has not done a single admirable thing, that I am aware of. Maybe she once saved a kitten, but I don't know about it. I only know what she's told me and the rest of the world, and what she's told us does not impress me.
Show your daughter this video, not because the girl in it "reminds you of her", but to show her what you expect her not to be.
Amanda Todd cried because she wanted someone to be nice to her. Did it ever occur to her that she could proactively be nice to others? She wanted someone to help her. Did it occur to her that she could take the initiative and help someone else? I've heard that this video was her attempt to "help others", but I do not see how. She said she needed someone, that she wanted someone to care about her, but the truth is, people did care. Her father, who lifted her out of that ditch and took her home (where she proceeded to repay him by drinking bleach). Her mother, who then took her in so that she could go to a different school.
She didn't just want "someone" to care about her. She wanted the people who didn't care about her to care about her. The people who actually did care about her.... well, apparently she didn't care much about them. Their love didn't satisfy her or fill the void within her.

Pity suicides if you must, but please don't glorify them. Glorify survivors. Teach your children- as I suggested in my first post on this thread- to be smart and strong. Smart enough to make good choices; strong enough to live with the bad ones they make... and be happy anyway.


I believe it's so easy to judge another, but how can you, I or anyone else KNOW what that deep dark abyss in someone's head feels like? Her pain was beyond our scope of understanding. This is what mental health professionals are for as she was mentally unstable, and obviously she did not get enough help in that department. Do you really think she could reason who cared for her the most when feeling severe depression, helplessness and hopelessness??? No one here is admiring her suicide or choices, however a 15 year-old girl does not have the maturity or same outlook as most adults. We do not KNOW her entire life, her family situations or how they may have affected her. Her parents were not together, and it did not appear that she could easily confide in either of them too much, although that is how many teens are. So when you said,
"Seriously? Your daughter disregards your love for her while seeking approval from strangers on the internet, uses drugs and alcohol, mutilates herself with razors and attempts suicide on a regular basis?" There is USUALLY a reason driving this behavior, and I will not speculate what that is, for I do not know the family personally...but neither do you, and to just blatantly state that she was selfish in all these "negative" behaviors? Where is your understanding and empathy? Every life has meaning, and the same for every life lost. In the big scheme of things, what she did "wrong" when she was alive, means NOTHING to the ones that loved her, nor to GOD who is pure love! My opinion. REST IN ETERNAL PEACE AMANDA!
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I believe it's so easy to judge another, but how can you, I or anyone else KNOW what that deep dark abyss in someone's head feels like? Her pain was beyond our scope of understanding. This is what mental health professionals are for as she was mentally unstable, and obviously she did not get enough help in that department. Do you really think she could reason who cared for her the most when feeling severe depression, helplessness and hopelessness??? No one here is admiring her suicide or choices, however a 15 year-old girl does not have the maturity or same outlook as most adults. We do not KNOW her entire life, her family situations or how they may have affected her. Her parents were not together, and it did not appear that she could easily confide in either of them too much, although that is how many teens are. So when you said,
"Seriously? Your daughter disregards your love for her while seeking approval from strangers on the internet, uses drugs and alcohol, mutilates herself with razors and attempts suicide on a regular basis?" There is USUALLY a reason driving this behavior, and I will not speculate what that is, for I do not know the family personally...but neither do you, and to just blatantly state that she was selfish in all these "negative" behaviors? Where is your understanding and empathy? Every life has meaning, and the same for every life lost. In the big scheme of things, what she did "wrong" when she was alive, means NOTHING to the ones that loved her, nor to GOD who is pure love! My opinion. REST IN ETERNAL PEACE AMANDA!
You want to glorify a fifteen year old girl?
Here you go:

Malala making good progress: Doctors - thenews.com.pk

Here's one who thinks life's worth living, even though the "bullies" in her life were grown men with guns.
Here's one who risked her life so that she and other girls could go to school, instead of drinking bleach because she had to.
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