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Here's what a REAL "War On Women" looks like...

100,000 women undergo brutal genital mutilation illegally in Britain (and some of the victims are as young as TEN)

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As many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone female genital mutilations with medics in the UK offering to carry out the illegal procedure on girls as young as 10, it has been reported.

Investigators from The Sunday Times said they secretly filmed a doctor, dentist and alternative medicine practitioner who were allegedly willing to perform circumcisions or arrange for the operation to be carried out.

The doctor and dentist deny any wrongdoing.

The practice, which involves the surgical removal of external genitalia and in some cases the stitching of the vaginal opening, is illegal in Britain and carries up to a 14 year prison sentence.

It is also against the law to arrange FGM.

Known as 'cutting', the procedure is traditionally carried out for cultural reasons and in Africa and with large numbers of immigration from countries like Sudan, Somalia and Ethiopia it is becoming more common in the UK.

It is believed to be proof of a girl's 'purity' for when she marries, but victims often suffer in silence and are rarely given anaesthetic.

They frequently suffer long-term damage and pain and often struggle to stand or walk properly.


Research suggests that every year up to 6,000 girls in London are at risk of the potentially fatal procedure, and more than 22,000 in the UK as a whole.

The Metropolitan Police said since 2008, it had received 166 reports of people who fear they are at risk of FGM but it has failed to bring forward a single perpetrator.

It is the same for all 43 forces across England and Wales with no convictions for the offence ever taking place.
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Ah yes, this is on another forum I am on, and it turned to an anti-circumcision for baby boys debate. So, pre-empting that I would say that whereas for baby boys it is done for religious reasons and there are no ill-effects as the practice of baby boy circumcision is carried out in a clean and safe environment, for the original post above female circumcision is done for the cultural control of females.

Female circumcision has no place in British society as we are having to repair the damage done physically and psychologically to these poor girls. Families come here seeking a new life. They are fortunate to be here safe from persecution and poverty in their homelands, but the old habits die hard.

(So-called casting out of demons and accusing children/adults of witchcraft amongst the African community in the UK is also extremely common too, leading to torture and murder of children accused of said witchcraft).
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Eventually Muslims will have this made legal in Western countries due to they PC mindset of head-in -the-sand liberals.
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Ah yes, this is on another forum I am on, and it turned to an anti-circumcision for baby boys debate. So, pre-empting that I would say that whereas for baby boys it is done for religious reasons and there are no ill-effects as the practice of baby boy circumcision is carried out in a clean and safe environment, for the original post above female circumcision is done for the cultural control of females.

Female circumcision has no place in British society as we are having to repair the damage done physically and psychologically to these poor girls. Families come here seeking a new life. They are fortunate to be here safe from persecution and poverty in their homelands, but the old habits die hard.

(So-called casting out of demons and accusing children/adults of witchcraft amongst the African community in the UK is also extremely common too, leading to torture and murder of children accused of said witchcraft).
As I understand it it is actually done to insure patriarchy.

I first read about it in a medical journal where these young women (college students or what have you) were coming into the American hospitals to deliver babies and were at first thought to be [former] burn victims.
Horrible practice, no place in any society.
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Ah yes, this is on another forum I am on, and it turned to an anti-circumcision for baby boys debate. So, pre-empting that I would say that whereas for baby boys it is done for religious reasons and there are no ill-effects as the practice of baby boy circumcision is carried out in a clean and safe environment, for the original post above female circumcision is done for the cultural control of females.

Female circumcision has no place in British society as we are having to repair the damage done physically and psychologically to these poor girls. Families come here seeking a new life. They are fortunate to be here safe from persecution and poverty in their homelands, but the old habits die hard.

(So-called casting out of demons and accusing children/adults of witchcraft amongst the African community in the UK is also extremely common too, leading to torture and murder of children accused of said witchcraft).

In baby boys in the US, it is rarely done for religious reasons (about 80% of baby boys in the US are circumcised; few of those are Jewish), but more for hygienic and aesthetic reasons. All of my sons are circumcised, and I'm not religious. I am aware that routine circumcision is far less common in Europe and in the rest of the world. Routinely circumcising all male children is mainly a North American cultural preference/practice.

Among cultures which practice female circumcision, many do not remove the clitoris or sew the vaginal opening shut (this is only done in the most extreme form of FGM, which is not the most common form), but simply remove part of the labia, in which case it is pretty much akin to male circumcision, and practiced for much the same reasons (aesthetics, cultural preference, and hygiene).
As most Americans believe that uncircumcised male genitals are unattractive, smelly, and probably germy, some cultures probably believe the same of about unmodified female genitals. This belief does not necessarily translate to controlling females, however (although admittedly most of the cultures which practice it are highly patriarchal). The American distaste for uncircumcised penises does not translate to controlling or oppressing males. It just means that we as a society find males in their natural state undesirable, and believe that they require surgical modification. Apparently, some cultures feel the same about females.
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My culture thinks either one is unnecessary and akin to voodoo especially in modern society where cleanliness is much easier than it was wandering the desert for forty years in the Moses books.
If you cut part of the penis off-you cut part of the penis off. Duh. Teach them how to clean themselves and little girls similarly.
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My culture thinks either one is unnecessary and akin to voodoo especially in modern society where cleanliness is much easier than it was wandering the desert for forty years in the Moses books.
If you cut part of the penis off-you cut part of the penis off. Duh. Teach them how to clean themselves and little girls similarly.
It is voodoo, but it's mostly harmless, whether for girls or for boys.
I only had my youngest son circed because his dad and older bros are.
No other reason. I asked both of my sons if they were sorry they were circumcised, and they both said no, they were glad.
So I couldn't let #3 be uncircumcised, and different from everybody else.
Plus a friend who is an ex-CPS social worker told me a tale about how CPS removed a toddler from his home because they felt that his repeated penile infections, which were the result of an uncirced penis which was not kept properly clean, constituted neglect.
I'm a busy woman; I've got enough to worry about without having to worry about my kid getting penis infections if I don't clean his penis constantly.
I'd rather he just have a circumcised penis, which isn't as prone to infection and doesn't require a lot of special care.
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[QUOTE=1069;428874]It is voodoo, but it's mostly harmless, whether for girls or for boys.
I only had my youngest son circed because his dad and older bros are.
No other reason. I asked both of my sons if they were sorry they were circumcised, and they both said no, they were glad.
So I couldn't let #3 be uncircumcised, and different from everybody else.
Plus a friend who is an ex-CPS social worker told me a tale about how CPS removed a toddler from his home because they felt that his repeated penile infections, which were the result of an uncirced penis which was not kept properly clean, constituted neglect.
I'm a busy woman; I've got enough to worry about without having to worry about my kid getting penis infections if I don't clean his penis constantly.
I'd rather he just have a circumcised penis, which isn't as prone to infection and doesn't require a lot of special care.[/QUOTE
I understand completely why people have it done, just irks me that either sex has to be cosmetically modified at birth. What if that little snip was ...important. Like tonsils and appendix were once thought of as garbage.
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I understand completely why people have it done, just irks me that either sex has to be cosmetically modified at birth. What if that little snip was ...important. Like tonsils and appendix were once thought of as garbage.
Like wisdom teeth are now.
I never had mine pulled; I had braces when I was young, and they made room for my wisdom teeth. They've never given me any trouble.
But when my son was in AIT (after basic training, for the army), they insisted on pulling his wisdom teeth when he visited the dentist for an unrelated complaint. It seems like almost everyone these days gets their wisdom teeth pulled, whether or not they're causing any trouble.
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Like wisdom teeth are now.
I never had mine pulled; I had braces when I was young, and they made room for my wisdom teeth. They've never given me any trouble.
But when my son was in AIT (after basic training, for the army), they insisted on pulling his wisdom teeth when he visited the dentist for an unrelated complaint. It seems like almost everyone these days gets their wisdom teeth pulled, whether or not they're causing any trouble.
Yes because 'most' cause problems -grow in sideways or crooked, but just like doing a Csection used to be the rule because you had one before, I have my suspicions too.
you better watch it , you're starting to sound like that horse of a different color I have often been accused of being.
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