The Disease That Isn’t - Page 4

mlurp · #31 (**permalink**) 08-06-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat

The Disease That Isn’t

Addiction.
Sorry, I just can’t accept that addictions like alcohol, drugs or sex are an actual disease. Maybe a mental illness, but not a disease.

I’d like to know what other actual physical or mental diseases can be cured by a twelve-step program. Can you cure leukemia, lung cancer or Parkinson’s with a twelve-step program? What about bi-polar disorder? Can that be cured with twelve steps administered by somebody with no medical training?

Why isn’t nicotine addiction considered a disease like alcohol or heroin or sex addiction?
What sets tobacco use apart from other addictions? Could it be politics and the anti-smoking lobby that has determined that tobacco use is something to be vilified?
Golly gee, we wouldn’t want to show any sympathy for tobacco users, but if you choose to use heroin, then you are a victim.

Addiction isn’t a disease, calling it one is just an excuse.

And I would agree..

As I was a heavy drinker and used other things to kill the pain and I woke up and gave it all up with the Lord's help.

GottaGo · #32 (**permalink**) 08-06-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 762nato

What you are citing is a coincidence. Show me a scientific study that points to the same conclusion and I will concede.

I think the notion of people being born gay as a forgone conclusion is comparable to the way the global warming hoax information is pushed in that if you dispute it you are ostracized. The motivation of the so called gay agenda is the destruction of out society by attacking the Constitution.

I don't know how "scientific" these articles are, but they put forth some logical information.

A genetic theory of homosexuality. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

Is Homosexuality Genetic? The Search for Possible Genetic Causes of Homosexuality

Causes...

And again for the record, I am not Pro-gay, I am Pro-To-Each-Their-Own.

saltwn · #33 (**permalink**) 08-06-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkSpoon

A person chooses to take the drink or smoke or over eat. It's all a choice.

Most people addicted to cigarettes today first tried them when they were children. So yes I guess weakness would come into play. A child's will power against an addiction as strong as Heroine would be kinda wimpy.
Heroine BTW is physically addicting. But that's just a side note.
Cigarettes when first tried give you a high. After that it's just maintenance. I assume by grades that all substance abuse is that way.

mlurp · #34 (**permalink**) 08-06-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Most people addicted to cigarettes today first tried them when they were children. So yes I guess weakness would come into play. A child's will power against an addiction as strong as Heroine would be kinda wimpy.
Heroine BTW is physically addicting. But that's just a side note.
Cigarettes when first tried give you a high. After that it's just maintenance. I assume by grades that all substance abuse is that way.

I ran track in school and played other sports. I didn't start to smoke till in the Nam.
And I have tried to stop, the best chance I had was when I was married the second time and did so for several weeks..

But Donna's son (now my step son) was taking his father advise and disrupting the family to a point I was leaving, I found myself driving to get away from all the poblems as per our aggrement she raised the children and this kid used me a as toy as I had no say.

Once I realized I was running I turned around and while coming back stopped and got a pack of Pall Malls and returned home..

The last time I tried was this past New Years, and that lasted only a few days or so.

Before I got married the first time I did Heroin as all my friends were doing it when I came back from the NAM and it did stop the dreams and seeing faces., and I stopped on my own after 2+ years without any help.

It seems what I picked up in Nam is hard to leave behind or for me it is.

The same for my few Nam buddies from my platoon I speak with now and again. They say the same thing.

I see it as a way to get to heaven a bit sooner. Not as a crutch. As I still have the dreams, the flash backs, at times my awareness is much higher and I react quicker, I still see the faces the whole nine yards, smoking is just part of that.

PinkSpoon · #35 (**permalink**) 08-06-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Most people addicted to cigarettes today first tried them when they were children.

Do you have any facts to back that up?

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So yes I guess weakness would come into play. A child's will power against an addiction as strong as Heroine would be kinda wimpy.
Heroine BTW is physically addicting. But that's just a side note.
Cigarettes when first tried give you a high. After that it's just maintenance. I assume by grades that all substance abuse is that way.

Children are trying heroine? Really? Again, got any facts to back that up?

Taking the first smoke, the first drink, etc. is a choice. If most people addicted started as children perhaps parents should be doing a better job of teaching their children.

saltwn · #36 (**permalink**) 08-07-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PinkSpoon

Do you have any facts to back that up?

Children are trying heroine? Really? Again, got any facts to back that up?
no, Menard. Remember cigs r as addicting as heroin.
Taking the first smoke, the first drink, etc. is a choice. If most people addicted started as children perhaps parents should be doing a better job of teaching their children.

yeah

I'll go back to the 50s and 60s when my spouse and I started and give our parents that message.

PinkSpoon · #37 (**permalink**) 08-07-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

yeah

I'll go back to the 50s and 60s when my spouse and I started and give our parents that message.

So you have no facts to back up your statement. Got it.

saltwn · #38 (**permalink**) 08-07-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PinkSpoon

So you have no facts to back up your statement. Got it.

What statement? That most smokers start when they are kids?

here's just two. I'm sure if your interested you can find more...

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Given that 90-percent of smokers start at or before age 18 - every day 5,000 youngsters light up their first cigarette - age is a critical factor. An estimated 2,000 young people become daily smokers. As a result, nearly 33-percent of them will die prematurely.

Despite Serious Consequences, Teens Still Start Smoking

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# Educate your kids
Almost 90 percent of smokers began their habit before the age of 21. Educating children on the risks involved may stop them from ever starting.

The More You Know > Smoking

PinkSpoon · #39 (**permalink**) 08-07-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

What statement? That most smokers start when they are kids?

Yes. That statement.

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here's just two. I'm sure if your interested you can find more...
Despite Serious Consequences, Teens Still Start Smoking

You made the statement. It's up to you to prove it not me.

Starting at 18, not a kid. Before? How much before? 15, 16, 17? That is old enough to know better and make a better choice.

The More You Know > Smoking[/QUOTE]

Now 90% start before 21? So which is it? Before 18 or 21? Again, the ages between 18 and 21 are not kids.

Good try on making an excuse for why you can't stop smoking though. lol

You stated that most people started smoking when they were children. Teenagers are NOT children. Teenagers know the difference between right an wrong. Teenagers know that smoking is not good for you and that by taking that first smoke you may become addicted.

PinkSpoon · #40 (**permalink**) 08-07-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Most people addicted to cigarettes today first tried them when they were children. So yes I guess weakness would come into play. A child's will power against an addiction as strong as Heroine would be kinda wimpy.
Heroine BTW is physically addicting. But that's just a side note.
Cigarettes when first tried give you a high. After that it's just maintenance. I assume by grades that all substance abuse is that way.

This from Heidi in another thread.... http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/hea...good-me-6.html

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Yeah, that is kind of nasty; but I smoked as a teenager (from 13 to 17) so I have done that many times I am sure. Strangely enough, I used to have asthma attacks when I smoked where breathing would become very difficult. After quitting smoking, I have never had another attack. So I guess, the smokers are good job security for paramedics and ER personnel. I actually heard a paramedic say that one time.

To anyone who smokes: I highly suggest you figure out a way to quit. ASAP! Make no excuses, smoking is one habit that will definitely reduce your quality of life and perhaps put you in an early grave. Lugging an oxygen tank around because you have emphysema and have trouble breathing would be a pain in the ass. My experience though, most smokers want to quit (and know the health risks), but it is actually kicking the habit that they struggle with.

She started smoking at 13. By your definition, a child, yet, she quit.

I guess the excuse that you can't quit smoking because you started as "a child" is just that, an excuse. It seems it can be done with those of more will power who make the choice to quit.

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