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Old 11-28-2020, 09:38 AM
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if you just outlaw ar-15's it would be better.
No it would not be better. You do know that most murders that involve the use of a firearm and even most mass shootings involve the use of a semiautomatic handgun, not AR-15 semiautomatic rifles? Are you going to say "if you just outlaw handguns it would be better"?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...on-types-used/

Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 143 different handguns being used in 95 incidents between 1982 and February 2020. These figures are calculated from a total of 118 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in over 80 percent of mass shootings.


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Firearms were used to commit 73% of all murders in 2017, FBI data show. And in at least 64% of those cases, the firearm was a handgun.

In another 28% of murders committed with firearms, local police agencies did not specify the type used when reporting those cases to the FBI. But experts told us it’s reasonable to expect instances in which the firearm was not identified would likely follow the same pattern as those that were categorized.

After adding nearly two-thirds of the unidentified cases reported in 2017 to the handgun category, the share of firearm murders committed with a handgun rises to 82%.
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My first and only registered gun, is a Taurus revolver. If they decide I shouldn't have it anymore, I will reluctantly give it up. But not before preaching on the idea that those who choose to depend on others to protect them, deserve what they receive. And get off my lawn, dammit!
Unfortunately NONE of my guns were registered prior to being lost at sea. There is no gun registration in Ohio thank God!
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if you just outlaw ar-15's it would be better.
I have a better idea, why don't we outlaw murder? Then we would not have to worry about people killing other innocent people. See how easy that is?
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No it would not be better. You do know that most murders that involve the use of a firearm and even most mass shootings involve the use of a semiautomatic handgun, not AR-15 semiautomatic rifles? Are you going to say "if you just outlaw handguns it would be better"?
In reality, the number of people murdered by such and such weapon, be it a handgun, AR-15, 12 gauge shotgun, whatever, cannot be blamed on the availability of the weapon, but on the stupidity and cold-blooded mentality of the psycho who misuses it. Take all those weapons away, and people will still be murdered on a daily basis. The only thing anti-gunners can come up with is the ridiculous warm feeling of "not so many" being murdered. One person murdered is one person too many, but the liberal weenies are more concerned with "the lower the number, the more civilized society is".

You anti-gun weenies don't like firearms? Go live under your beds until you die. You will not deprive people of their right of self-defense against criminals, civilian type, or government type.

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In reality, the number of people murdered by such and such weapon, be it a handgun, AR-15, 12 gauge shotgun, whatever, cannot be blamed on the availability of the weapon, but on the stupidity and cold-blooded mentality of the psycho who misuses it. Take all those weapons away, and people will still be murdered on a daily basis.

This is true. When the UK banned guns there was no dramatic drop in homicides.Nor was there any dramatic decrease when the UK implemented their prior gun control laws. So it is a bogus comparison when anti-2nd amendment trash whine how the UK or Australia doesn't have the gun deaths we do. Because even before their bans they never had high numbers of homicides to begin with.Our homicides we have each year that don't involve the use of a firearm are higher than their homicides that involve the use of all sorts of weapons including homicides.

Over one hundred years of crime data in the UK proves this.
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In reality, the number of people murdered by such and such weapon, be it a handgun, AR-15, 12 gauge shotgun, whatever, cannot be blamed on the availability of the weapon, but on the stupidity and cold-blooded mentality of the psycho who misuses it. Take all those weapons away, and people will still be murdered on a daily basis. The only thing anti-gunners can come up with is the ridiculous warm feeling of "not so many" being murdered. One person murdered is one person too many, but the liberal weenies are more concerned with "the lower the number, the more civilized society is".

You anti-gun weenies don't like firearms? Go live under your beds until you die. You will not deprive people of their right of self-defense against criminals, civilian type, or government type.

Go bark at the moon!

To Hell with compromise!
Exactly.

If people would remember, Cain killed Able with a rock. He didn't need a gun.
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I still remember a news outlet PUBLICLY doxxing gun owners by using permit records pointing out where they live...

Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders
This type of stuff will happen all over America, Harris/Biden will mostly likely start a new program with the intent to pit Anti gunners against Gun owners, and they with give the anti-gunners all the ammo they need. ( no pun intended )
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As of now, there is no federal gun registration. So the government list of gun possessors.

I for one will never register any gun I own, nor will I ever give up any I own.
A friend of mine from New York, said that they were required to list every gun they owned on their registration. Most states, all you need is a registration for one gun, and that covers the rest that you own.
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Better than what?

After a mob violently tore down the gate to their neighborhood and threatened a St Louis lawyer and his wife he stood guard at his doorstep with an AR-15 as a suddenly subdued mob shuffled by. No violence, no destruction of property, all because of the deterrent properties of the AR-15. The so-called weapon of war was there to keep the peace when the police were nowhere to be found. But yeah, it would be better for the violent Biden militia if they didn't have to worry about civilians defending home and persons.
The De-funded police will be there to help the mob remove guns from law abiding citizens.
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I have a better idea, why don't we outlaw murder? Then we would not have to worry about people killing other innocent people. See how easy that is?
We should also have Gun-Free zones. Everyone in the zone will be safe.
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