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Old 12-31-2019, 04:13 PM
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What is that the left says about people carrying guns to be a hazard to the public? In this case, armed members of a church put down a shooter in 6 seconds.
Gun control laws like those that restrict concealed carry by law-abiding citizens, especially laws that create "gun free zones", are OSHA regulations for violent criminals.

Those laws ensure that violent criminals will always have a nice, pleasant and safe working environment. Those laws guarantee someone intent on horrible violence will not meet any meaningful resistance, only be met with victims cowering and pleading for their life . . .

My signature is especially on-point . . . To those who say that gun ownership is adverse to peace and civility . . . You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence; if you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.

Being harmless to violent people will not ensure your safety; making good people defenseless will not make bad people harmless.

A 71 year-old gentle man named Jack Wilson was capable of great violence; he used that capability of great violence to reclaim and keep the peace for many people.

He saved many lives.

The video of the event is instructive, people's initial reaction is not to run around in a panic. They get down and out of the way for the most part.

Instant Responders, even if there are more than a half-dozen, do not just start shooting at everything that moves. By my count, within 20 seconds of the offender first pulling his gun, 7 people arm themselves in response to the threat. Even if Jack Wilson missed and there were subsequent misses, the offender would have been too busy with defenders to shoot innocents -- which would have saved lives

The first person shot was slow and sloppy on the draw and the offender's shotgun was already leveled on him. Everything was over very quickly, from the offender pulling his gun to Jack Wilson's awesome 50ft headshot, was as you say, 6 seconds. From offender's first shot to him being dropped, was 2 seconds.

Offender actually fired three times; the third was directed towards the podium and occurred a millisecond before he was anointed on the forehead with the blessed dollop of .357 SIG lead and copper.

The following link is a multi-cut version of the event video, an in-depth look at the event for study and training with zoomed in and isolated views of people and their reactions. There is no commentary, it is not blurred, it is unaltered but for the specialized views.

This video is 5 minutes and 40 seconds long and there is a download link on the page, the size of the file is 419 megabytes. Who knows how long the file will be there, choice to download is yours, there's always a risk that Google will scrub it. Of course, viewer discretion advised.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W2o...hZahlb0wbQ56WM
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:27 PM
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It is terrible that 2 innocent people died in this event. However, thanks to the quick thinking and skilled marksman that ended this, more lives were saved. Thanks for linking to that video. It is very informative.
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Apparently, Democratic Presidential Candidate Mike Bloomberg, thinks that Mr. Wilson should not have been allowed to posses a gun and defend the congregation and himself from the armed assailant. I believe he is just echoing the sentiment of the Democratic Party.

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Michael Bloomberg's outrageous response to the Texas church shooting

Michael Bloomberg just declared open season on the Second Amendment and disrespected a hero.

Yes, the billionaire-turned-Democratic 2020 presidential candidate has campaigned to restrict gun rights for years, pouring millions into his anti-gun advocacy. But Bloomberg just made it explicitly clear that he wants to disarm law-abiding Americans completely — he holds contempt for those who exercise their right to self-defense — through his tone-deaf response to the recent Texas church shooting.

The Dec. 29 shooting at West Freeway Church of Christ was a nightmare scene after an armed gunman disrupted a church ceremony and shot several worshippers. Thankfully, volunteer security guard and church member Jack Wilson was armed and killed the shooter within seconds. As National Review’s Kyle Smith explained, “What Wilson did was extremely unusual (he is a civilian security guard who ended what could have been an extended massacre), extremely difficult (he hit the shooter in the head with a pistol from a distance of 50 feet, a marksman’s feat), and extremely heroic (he stood up to a gunman to save the lives of others).”

This man is a hero, and his actions undoubtedly saved lives.

As I wrote at the time, the shooting showed that “defensive gun use is not a myth” and that “after how this heroic act unfolded, we should all thank God that this is the case.” Bloomberg reached the opposite conclusion. He apparently wishes Wilson had been unarmed and thus unable to defend his fellow congregants.

At an event in Alabama this week, Bloomberg said as much:
It may be true that someone in the congregation had his own gun and killed the person who murdered two other people, but it’s the job of law enforcement to have guns and to decide when to shoot. You just do not want the average citizen carrying a gun in a crowded place.
Wow. There’s so much idiocy here that I don’t know where to start.

Let’s think through the logical implications of what Bloomberg is saying. A recently passed Texas law explicitly granted law-abiding citizens with proper permits the ability to carry concealed firearms inside a house of worship. Presumably, Bloomberg does not think people like Wilson should be permitted to do so. Instead, he says we should just rely on the police.

Well, this shooting would have played out much, much worse in that hypothetical scenario. The killer, of course, doesn’t care what law Bloomberg and his pals pass, so he would have stormed in with a gun regardless. But Wilson wouldn’t have been armed. Assuming the police are minutes away, and considering that the gunman shot two people in just a few seconds before being taken down, it’s likely that several dozen people would have been shot before police arrived.

This is the outcome Bloomberg basically just said he would prefer. And by saying that only police should have guns, Bloomberg is no longer hiding behind calls for so-called universal background checks or assault weapon bans — he’s openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment. If we needed another reminder why we should never elect this wannabe tyrant as our president, well, he just handed us one.
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I participated in an event last Monday. At the very least 10,000 heavily armed persons in about a square mile area. Not one incident. And no one messed with us either.
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I participated in an event last Monday. At the very least 10,000 heavily armed persons in about a square mile area. Not one incident. And no one messed with us either.
Are you insinuating that the guns these people were carrying, didn't go off and start indiscriminately start killing people? That would seem to be in conflict with the belief that the left has that guns are evil and should be banned.
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Bloomberg needs to fire his bodyguards, and he can allow the police to come to his defense, if he needs it. I guess the little b**ch thinks his money makes him more important than regular people.
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