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Default New Zealand’s Gun Confiscation Shaping Up To Be Massive Failure

This is what happens when politicians try to ban their way to safety. All they are doing is making criminals out of law abiding citizens.

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New Zealand’s gun grab, instituted in the wake of the Christchurch massacre, isn’t going so great. In fact, with less than two months to go before the government-imposed deadline, fewer than 20% of the estimated number of banned firearms have been handed over.
New Zealand Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this week that more than 32,000 prohibited weapons have been returned to the government since collections began in mid-July. Some estimates put the number of newly-banned military-style semi-automatic rifles in the country at up to 175,000.

This would suggest a compliance rate, so far, as low as 18 percent, 16 weeks into the buyback program. With seven weeks left to go until the amnesty period ends, if the current rate of return holds, the New Zealand government is on track to collect around 50,000 prohibited weapons pursuant to the buyback. That would impute a final compliance rate of around 29 percent, at the lower end, which would represent a modest but tangible success for policymakers.
A “modest but tangible success”? I think it’s more like a complete failure. Let’s say when the deadline passes less than one third of the banned firearms have been turned in. What exactly has been accomplished, other than the compensated confiscation of a few thousand firearms and the criminalization of tens of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens?
New Zealand’s estimated measure of success compares unfavorably to a similar program enacted in nearby Australia in 1996 and 1997. A well-cited review of that program reported a final compliance rate of anywhere from 40 percent to 80 percent.

However, New Zealand’s collection thus far still represents meaningful gains, especially when compared to how the U.S. has fared when trying to regulate assault weapons.

When analogous programs have been proposed in U.S. states, results have often been far less encouraging. New York passed the landmark SAFE Act in 2013, which required gun owners to register assault weapons as part of the state’s newly-expanded definition for those types of military-style rifles. One estimate put the registration rate at around 4 percent.
Yes, the compliance rate of the SAFE Act has been far lower than the New Zealand gun confiscation. That doesn’t mean that a compliance rate of less than 33% is a “success” by any means. And don’t forget, in New Zealand, gun owners don’t have the protection of the Second Amendment, as their prime minister has repeatedly stated.
“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in September as the country’s parliament considered new gun control laws. “We absolutely recognize there is a legitimate need in our communities to be able to access guns, particularly our rural community, but what these changes do is recognize that actually there’s a real responsibility that comes with gun ownership.”
There’s a real responsibility that comes with making laws as well, and so far it looks like Ardern’s gun ban is going to create more armed criminals than disarm them, since she’s turning law-abiding gun owners into felons for simply maintaining possession of their legally acquired firearms. I’d say that’s pretty irresponsible, no matter how well-intended the gun grab may have been. There’s no such thing as banning your way to safety, but you can definitely ban your way to massive non-compliance. Six weeks away from its deadline, it looks like that’s exactly where New Zealand is headed.
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Trying to regulate crazy people is nothing but a waste of time....


Blaming the gun instead of the perp is the height of stupidity.....
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Yes, the compliance rate of the SAFE Act has been far lower than the New Zealand gun confiscation. That doesn’t mean that a compliance rate of less than 33% is a “success” by any means. And don’t forget, in New Zealand, gun owners don’t have the protection of the Second Amendment, as their prime minister has repeatedly stated.

“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in September as the country’s parliament considered new gun control laws. “We absolutely recognize there is a legitimate need in our communities to be able to access guns, particularly our rural community, but what these changes do is recognize that actually there’s a real responsibility that comes with gun ownership.”


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Only a clueless person believes that the Second Amendment is not an unalienable right.
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Yes, the compliance rate of the SAFE Act has been far lower than the New Zealand gun confiscation. That doesn’t mean that a compliance rate of less than 33% is a “success” by any means. And don’t forget, in New Zealand, gun owners don’t have the protection of the Second Amendment, as their prime minister has repeatedly stated.

“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in September as the country’s parliament considered new gun control laws. “We absolutely recognize there is a legitimate need in our communities to be able to access guns, particularly our rural community, but what these changes do is recognize that actually there’s a real responsibility that comes with gun ownership.”


--from the link posted by GetAClue

Only a clueless person believes that the Second Amendment is not an unalienable right.

In 16th and 17th century Europe, possessing a firearm, or even a sword, was a "privilege" granted by the royalty. Whilst the king could prevent the average citizen from having such weapons, he had not compunction handing you one and forcing you to use it in battle to protect his property. And his liberty. As a mere serf citizen, you had no property to protect. So this seemed acceptable. And, sans arms, what could you do about it?

Our founders had a very different, and unique at the time, idea of owning property rights. And with that concept came the idea of personal rights to own , without question, the means of protecting one's property. And, one's own freedom.

This is sadly something our public schools do not teach our kids. Countries who omit or forget this history will succumb to the past and subsequently be defenseless in preventing the atrocities of those times. Let us hope, those who know, do not forget. The deterioration of every good government begins when the people forget the principles upon which a good government was founded

So, teach the children lest they succumb to the false promises that the government can be trusted.
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Trying to regulate crazy people is nothing but a waste of time....


Blaming the gun instead of the perp is the height of stupidity.....
Especially when you try to do it by regulating the non crazy people.
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If the owners of the rest of the banned firearms were stupid enough to register their firearms then refusing to turn them in might not do any good seeing how the government can just detain them and take their guns away by force. This is why registrations are a horrible idea. Heck even permits/licenses is a bad idea because it gives the government a database of gun owners.
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If the owners of the rest of the banned firearms were stupid enough to register their firearms then refusing to turn them in might not do any good seeing how the government can just detain them and take their guns away by force. This is why registrations are a horrible idea. Heck even permits/licenses is a bad idea because it gives the government a database of gun owners.

It is why I never registered for a CCW
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It is why I never registered for a CCW
Constitutional carry is the best way to go. Tell the anti-gun weenies to go eat a toad sandwich if they don't like that.
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If the owners of the rest of the banned firearms were stupid enough to register their firearms then refusing to turn them in might not do any good seeing how the government can just detain them and take their guns away by force. This is why registrations are a horrible idea. Heck even permits/licenses is a bad idea because it gives the government a database of gun owners.
Exactly. And this is why I oppose the lefts push for what they are calling "enhanced background checks". What they are asking for is an expanded database of gun owners and putting up greater road blocks to law abiding citizens legally obtaining firearms.
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Exactly. And this is why I oppose the lefts push for what they are calling "enhanced background checks". What they are asking for is an expanded database of gun owners and putting up greater road blocks to law abiding citizens legally obtaining firearms.
The original income tax was supposedly only on the very rich.
the telephone tax of1898 was only to be on the rich and large businesses to support the war with Spain.
The telephone tax lasted almost 100 years after the war and effected everyone with a phone. Despite a graduated system, income tax is much the same.

The confiscation of our lawful arms will be much the same.

Our nation will not be lost in an overnight change of the government. It will happen in sneaky little increments.
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