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Old 10-15-2019, 11:14 AM
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Say hello to how Red Flag laws will be used to remove 2nd Amendment rights wherever they are passed.

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84-Year Old Retired Cop Has Guns Seized After School Safety Comment

An 84-year old retired police officer, military veteran, and school crossing guard in Massachusetts has had his firearms seized and was fired from his job after someone overheard a conversation at a diner and reported him as a threat to the local school.

Stephen Nichols says he was talking with a friend at a local restaurant on Martha’s Vineyard when the subject of the local school resource officer came up. Nichols was upset that the officer, in his opinion, was “leaving his post” by going to get coffee at a nearby convenience shop instead of remaining on campus to protect students, and said that somebody could “shoot up the school” in the officer’s absence. Based on nothing more than that simple remark, Nichols’ life was turned upside down and the Tisbury police have a lot of questions to answer.
Nichols said the waitress made a complaint to Tisbury Police about what she overheard and on the strength of that, Saloio and another officer relieved Nichols of his crossing guard duties while he was in the midst of performing them and subsequently drove to his home and took away his firearms license and guns.

“He came up and told me what I said was a felony but he wasn’t going to charge me,” Nichols said of Saloio.

The confiscated guns were later turned over to Nichols’ son-in-law, Nichols told The Times.

Asked if he was given a letter or any paperwork for the seizure of his license, Nichols said,

“No he just told me to hand it over so I took it out of my wallet and handed it to him.”
Nichols says never received any receipts acknowledging the seizure of his firearms either, and notes since he obtained his Massachusetts firearms license in 1958 he’s never had any issues until now.

Virtually every person who heard Nichols’ comment, with the exception of the waitress who complained, says there was nothing threatening about his statement. Far from expressing any intent to harm the students at the local school, Nichols’ was complaining that they were being left unprotected.
Nichols said he has 11 grandchildren and 11 great grandchildren. “I would never, ever, ever, harm a child,” he said.

Nichols lost his wife two years ago and values his crossing guard work as a connection to the outside world. “I just need something to do to get out of the house and I love the kids,” he said.
Thankfully, Nichols does have an attorney, and they’re appealing both the revocation of Nichols’ firearms license as well as his removal as a crossing guard. I hope they’re successful in righting this wrong. We do owe the chief in Tisbury a bit of gratitute, however, for such a great demonstration of the capricious nature of gun licensing laws in Massachusetts. You don’t have to be charged with a crime, much less convicted, to lose your right to keep and bear arms. No, all that’s necessary is for someone to misconstrue what you said, interpret it as a threat, and report your comment to the police. They’ll take it (and your guns) from there, no hearing necessary.

What happened to Stephen Nichols could happen to virtually any legal gun owner in the state of Massachusetts, because in Massachusetts the right to keep and bear arms isn’t treated as a right at all. Instead, it’s viewed by the law as a privilege to be doled out and taken away by local police chiefs, and while some might recognize the 2nd Amendment as protecting an individual right, it is clear that there are many who don’t think that at all. With little to no investigation or reason, they can strip you of your license and your firearms, and your only recourse is to engage in a lengthy and expensive appeals process. Thankfully Mr. Nichols is willing to make that engagement, but how many others won’t or can’t afford to do the same?

**Update**

Shortly after posting the original story, the local paper on Martha’s Vineyard reported that Nichols has been reinstated as a crossing guard for the local school, but bizarrely, the police are apparently still revoking his firearm license.
Dan Larkosh, of the Edgartown firm Larkosh and Jackson, represents Nichols, and he was pleased Nichols was reinstated. Nevertheless he intends to file an appeal of the decision by Tisbury Police Chief Mark Saloio to seize guns owned by Nichols, as well as his license to carry.
Go get ’em, Mr. Larkosh. I find it unfathomable that after all this, the police chief hasn’t returned Stephen Nichols’ firearms and issued a groveling apology. It’s clear that would be the right thing to do. It’s a mystery as to why the chief hasn’t done it.
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I hope he sues the police department and the state for violating his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights...…


Sick and tired of those who are afraid of their own shadow trampling on the rights of others in ~this country.....
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Incidents like this is why I have no interest in any law that allows anyone to confiscate weapons pre-crime. Combine no data on who is a threat with the fact that a waitress can cause your weapons to be confiscated just because you engaged in idle conversation and you have a recipe for disaster.
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This is what we are coming to folks. Socialism/totalism. Ya'll just keep voting in those do-gooder control freaks who will legislate and regulate away your freedom. All in the name of protecting you from yourselves.
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This farce with the snowflakes and their anti-gun bleatings needs to come to a crashing end, starting with the ass hole governor of California and his red flag bullshlt.
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This is just ridiculous.
Sadly this type of thing is happening FAR to much.
I've posted similar elsewhere.
Thankfully this guy didn't have his car or house surround and get shot just becasue, "911 got a call about..."


But It'd be real nice if most cops would ask "what would Jesus do" before they made some of these moves but lets aim a bit lower than that , they should start spreading a meme "What Would Andy Do?"
or how about "What would the constitution do"

But before you even get to the cops here, WTH is up with some of these people that CALL the COPS becasue they thought he said he wanted to...
Can you imagine being married to someone like that?
everything you say being taken in the worse possible way even when you're saying the exact opposite?
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But before you even get to the cops here, WTH is up with some of these people that CALL the COPS becasue they thought he said he wanted to...
Can you imagine being married to someone like that?
everything you say being taken in the worse possible way even when you're saying the exact opposite?
Liberals are having a chicken choke fest over those stupid laws, pardon my French. Those snowflakes cannot stand not having a certain power over the common man. And now they are endowed with that slime permit of "being able to exclaim, "He said, so shut up and get his guns!"
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This is why firearm registrations and even firearm licenses should be opposed. I am glad I live in a state that treats the right to keep and bear arms as a right instead of a state granted privilege.
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This is just a natural result of people that have no idea what they are talking about, demonizing guns and their owners. Every time there is a mass shooting, the progressives are falling over themselves to get to a microphone and camera to tell how bad guns are and how us lowly citizens should not be allowed to own them.

If these self righteous panderer's had any idea as to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment as the founders wrote it, and those that listen to these self proclaimed defenders of all that is good understood from where their rights were subscribed, they would reject laws that allow for these types of infringements.
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Imagine any of those weenies being assaulted when they least expect it, and they didn't get a chance to snitch to the police about some person "on the edge" and needing his firearms taken away for safety, as they say.

The criminal asks him, with a gun pointed at him, "Don't you wish some good guy with a gun would appear out of nowhere to save your ass about this time?"

Then the bad guy kneecaps him before he disappears.

I wonder what color the warning flag would be next?
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