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Old 09-04-2019, 11:39 AM
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The government doesn't have to locate the firearms. It can require the owner to disclose the possession of the firearm.

NEW LAW
Mandatory registration of specified types of firearms.

Criminal penalty for failure to register:
Fines and or imprisonment.
Forfeiture of all firearms.
Loss of Right to own/possess firearms.


While the advocacy for firearms rights is passionate with some how many are willing to become criminals instead of law-abiding citizens possessing firearms? How many are really willing to go to jail and/or paying fines, as well as losing all of their firearms under a forfeiture requirement as well as losing any right to own or possess firearms in the future?

Their choice will be simple.
1. Remain a law-abiding gun owner by registering the firearm(s).
2.Become a criminal by possessing an unregistered firearm and lose everything if/when you're caught.

I just can't see many people taking option #2 because it's a rather stupid choice.

Quick anecdotal story. My fathers best friend was a firearms salesman and at sometime during his career he purchased an unregistered Thompson submachine gun. The Thompson was a beautiful firearm and something any collector would love to own. Because his wasn't legally owned he couldn't tell anyone he owned it, couldn't show it to anyone for fear he'd be arrested, couldn't take it out and even fire it, and he couldn't sell it to anyone. After 9/11 he became paranoid about possessing it and he threw it off a bridge into a river. It really became an albatross around his neck for the entire time that he possessed that Thompson.
I suggest anti-gun weenies put a cork in it, I mean, regarding silly stories of what the government will or will not do if one fails to kiss its ass about firearms.

I wish that "pro-gun" people would just straight come out and publicly swear loyalty to the government baboons holding their strings.

Tattoo the word "PENDEJO" on their foreheads. Little things like that, for starters.

You want my weapons? Come personally by yourself and take them.

Enough of this horse shlt.
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The government doesn't have to locate the firearms. It can require the owner to disclose the possession of the firearm.

NEW LAW
Mandatory registration of specified types of firearms.

Criminal penalty for failure to register:
Fines and or imprisonment.
Forfeiture of all firearms.
Loss of Right to own/possess firearms.


While the advocacy for firearms rights is passionate with some how many are willing to become criminals instead of law-abiding citizens possessing firearms? How many are really willing to go to jail and/or paying fines, as well as losing all of their firearms under a forfeiture requirement as well as losing any right to own or possess firearms in the future?

Their choice will be simple.
1. Remain a law-abiding gun owner by registering the firearm(s).
2.Become a criminal by possessing an unregistered firearm and lose everything if/when you're caught.

I just can't see many people taking option #2 because it's a rather stupid choice.

Quick anecdotal story. My fathers best friend was a firearms salesman and at sometime during his career he purchased an unregistered Thompson submachine gun. The Thompson was a beautiful firearm and something any collector would love to own. Because his wasn't legally owned he couldn't tell anyone he owned it, couldn't show it to anyone for fear he'd be arrested, couldn't take it out and even fire it, and he couldn't sell it to anyone. After 9/11 he became paranoid about possessing it and he threw it off a bridge into a river. It really became an albatross around his neck for the entire time that he possessed that Thompson.
Shiva, again, you're just babbling.

Can the feds require? Possibly. Will they? Not those who want to remain in office.

Will they gain compliance? My guess is not nearly as much as you believe. The feds are not going to arrest 40 or 50 million gun owners. If they can find them. Didn't they try that with pot? That went well. Even the states said we don't think so. Pot is still not legal. Pot is still being sold.

Your anecdote is not relevant, even if true. All he had to do is apply for a fed tax stamp. There is no chain of possession requirement. Bingo, a legal $50,000 weapon.
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:23 PM
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The government doesn't have to locate the firearms. It can require the owner to disclose the possession of the firearm.

NEW LAW
Mandatory registration of specified types of firearms.

Criminal penalty for failure to register:
Fines and or imprisonment.
Forfeiture of all firearms.
Loss of Right to own/possess firearms.


While the advocacy for firearms rights is passionate with some how many are willing to become criminals instead of law-abiding citizens possessing firearms? How many are really willing to go to jail and/or paying fines, as well as losing all of their firearms under a forfeiture requirement as well as losing any right to own or possess firearms in the future?

Their choice will be simple.
1. Remain a law-abiding gun owner by registering the firearm(s).
2.Become a criminal by possessing an unregistered firearm and lose everything if/when you're caught.

I just can't see many people taking option #2 because it's a rather stupid choice.

Quick anecdotal story. My fathers best friend was a firearms salesman and at sometime during his career he purchased an unregistered Thompson submachine gun. The Thompson was a beautiful firearm and something any collector would love to own. Because his wasn't legally owned he couldn't tell anyone he owned it, couldn't show it to anyone for fear he'd be arrested, couldn't take it out and even fire it, and he couldn't sell it to anyone. After 9/11 he became paranoid about possessing it and he threw it off a bridge into a river. It really became an albatross around his neck for the entire time that he possessed that Thompson.
The stupid choice in your scenario is Option 1. Informing the government of the number and types of firearms people posses is the de facto registration. And registration leads to confiscation. Anyone that tells the government the type and number of firearms they have is asking for trouble.

Sure, there are some pretty stupid people in this country that will comply. But a very large majority will see through any such requirement and force the government to come and get them. Being as they can't confiscate the illegal guns already on the street, I'll take my chances that they won't find mine either.

Also, your friend is an idiot.
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The government doesn't have to locate the firearms. It can require the owner to disclose the possession of the firearm.

NEW LAW
Mandatory registration of specified types of firearms.

Criminal penalty for failure to register:
Fines and or imprisonment.
Forfeiture of all firearms.
Loss of Right to own/possess firearms.


While the advocacy for firearms rights is passionate with some how many are willing to become criminals instead of law-abiding citizens possessing firearms? How many are really willing to go to jail and/or paying fines, as well as losing all of their firearms under a forfeiture requirement as well as losing any right to own or possess firearms in the future?

Their choice will be simple.
1. Remain a law-abiding gun owner by registering the firearm(s).
2.Become a criminal by possessing an unregistered firearm and lose everything if/when you're caught.

I just can't see many people taking option #2 because it's a rather stupid choice.

Quick anecdotal story. My fathers best friend was a firearms salesman and at sometime during his career he purchased an unregistered Thompson submachine gun. The Thompson was a beautiful firearm and something any collector would love to own. Because his wasn't legally owned he couldn't tell anyone he owned it, couldn't show it to anyone for fear he'd be arrested, couldn't take it out and even fire it, and he couldn't sell it to anyone. After 9/11 he became paranoid about possessing it and he threw it off a bridge into a river. It really became an albatross around his neck for the entire time that he possessed that Thompson.
Are you aware that even the 'most law abiding citizen' breaks a multitude of laws they don't even know exist on a daily basis? You included. https://www.infowars.com/you-break-t...en-knowing-it/

Your little side step regarding 'shall make no laws' hasn't stopped many, since what some citizens believe are laws are actually ordinances and statutes.

There is nothing, no law, no ordinance, no statute, that requires a citizen to disclose anything about personally owned goods to the government.
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Quick anecdotal story. My fathers best friend was a firearms salesman and at sometime during his career he purchased an unregistered Thompson submachine gun. The Thompson was a beautiful firearm and something any collector would love to own. Because his wasn't legally owned he couldn't tell anyone he owned it, couldn't show it to anyone for fear he'd be arrested, couldn't take it out and even fire it, and he couldn't sell it to anyone. After 9/11 he became paranoid about possessing it and he threw it off a bridge into a river. It really became an albatross around his neck for the entire time that he possessed that Thompson.
Your father's friend is an ignoramus...

Is it Legal to Own a Thompson Machine Gun?

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A Thompson Sub Machine Gun is legal in some States, although it has to be pre-1986 to fit with the regulations.

So, yes, it is legal to own a Thompson Submachine Gun.

Just a few Thompson machine guns are included the 175,0000+ machine guns registered in the United States.


So they’re not easy to find and, due to this gun’s Hall of Fame status, you won’t get them cheap.

Most of the fully automatic Thompson machine gun for sale ads tend to be pre-1986 recreations, rather than active service weapons, when you read the ad closely. They’re still seriously expensive.

You can expect to pay $30,000 and up for a fully automatic, proper Thompson replica, which kind of makes sense. For instance this full machine gun is listed on Euro Optics for $30K.
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Default Re: Beto: If Elected, I Am Going To Confiscate Your Semi-Auto Firearms

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Originally Posted by ShivaTD View Post
The government doesn't have to locate the firearms. It can require the owner to disclose the possession of the firearm.

NEW LAW
Mandatory registration of specified types of firearms.

Criminal penalty for failure to register:
Fines and or imprisonment.
Forfeiture of all firearms.
Loss of Right to own/possess firearms.


While the advocacy for firearms rights is passionate with some how many are willing to become criminals instead of law-abiding citizens possessing firearms? How many are really willing to go to jail and/or paying fines, as well as losing all of their firearms under a forfeiture requirement as well as losing any right to own or possess firearms in the future?

Their choice will be simple.
1. Remain a law-abiding gun owner by registering the firearm(s).
2.Become a criminal by possessing an unregistered firearm and lose everything if/when you're caught.

I just can't see many people taking option #2 because it's a rather stupid choice.
First off, protecting ones freedom is not a stupid choice. Second, if you can't see people taking that option you need to open your eyes. All one has to do is look north (east from where I am) to Canada, they abandon their long gun registration due to massive cost overruns and widespread non-compliance.
Add to that, the SCOTUS has ruled that criminals cannot be required to register their guns due to the 5th amendment, so a registration scheme doesn't even apply to the people that are the biggest problem.
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